Turnobili Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Going back to week 1 when everybody was fawning over Abram's missile-style tackling, I kept saying that I wasn't impressed with his play. Sure, he's an electric athlete, but honestly he just never looks in control at all. Vacating the zone to give Kelce the easiest touchdown of the night was just asinine. I mean, its not like Mahomes was going to run it in from 25 yards out. Rather let him scramble and kill more clock, potentially settle for a FG... than vacate a zone to his NUMBER ONE target in these situations. And then you have other reckless plays like the stupid 15 yard penalty against Tyreek. I can definitely see the guy's potential but I don't think PFF is all wrong when they have him as one of the worst safeties in the league. And no, I'm not suggesting they give up on him, but he clearly needs to be coached up a lot more. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1RAIDER FAN Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Turnobili said: Going back to week 1 when everybody was fawning over Abram's missile-style tackling, I kept saying that I wasn't impressed with his play. Sure, he's an electric athlete, but honestly he just never looks in control at all. Vacating the zone to give Kelce the easiest touchdown of the night was just asinine. I mean, its not like Mahomes was going to run it in from 25 yards out. Rather let him scramble and kill more clock, potentially settle for a FG... than vacate a zone to his NUMBER ONE target in these situations. And then you have other reckless plays like the stupid 15 yard penalty against Tyreek. I can definitely see the guy's potential but I don't think PFF is all wrong when they have him as one of the worst safeties in the league. And no, I'm not suggesting they give up on him, but he clearly needs to be coached up a lot more. Crosby seems like a similar player but with more big plays. Crashing inside and losing contain or overrunning some plays. Still our best pass rusher, but prone to giving up the big play. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, #1RAIDER FAN said: Crosby seems like a similar player but with more big plays. Crashing inside and losing contain or overrunning some plays. Still our best pass rusher, but prone to giving up the big play. You notice this with Ferrell out more. I'm really disappointed in how not physical the defense played last night. KC ran the ball better than we did. Our front without Trent did not dominate against KC's front. If we had that balance, I would wager that we would have scored more than 35. We really need another DL who is a factor. Maybe Hurst being out hurts that, but I think we need another pass rusher type. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1RAIDER FAN Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: You notice this with Ferrell out more. I'm really disappointed in how not physical the defense played last night. KC ran the ball better than we did. Our front without Trent did not dominate against KC's front. If we had that balance, I would wager that we would have scored more than 35. We really need another DL who is a factor. Maybe Hurst being out hurts that, but I think we need another pass rusher type. I wonder how gassed the D was with the long drives too. Can't be mad at the O driving down and punching it in quickly, but that put the defense right back on the field and KC drove down over and over again. I wouldn't change it up and score slower by any means, but that may have gave the Chefs defense an edge in the 4th quarter not being gassed. Like I said in the other thread though, although super disappointed because of it being in reach, can't get too down on this game given the Chefs bye week and COVID for the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 19 hours ago, Totty said: Yeah but I think that he gets serious consideration to remain HC in Atlanta. Pittsburgh's Teryl Austin is another idea. 17 years of experience, one of the best Ds in the league year after year. Wouldn't be a lateral move for him. I would be on board with a guy from that pedigree. Didn’t Austin get fired from the Bengals after only a couple of months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdigtheRaiders! Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 21 hours ago, Totty said: I've already been googling this my friend. Nothing has excited me yet. In a realistic scenario. Will Muschamp? Proven track record as a DC in the college ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I say we see what Rod has ASAP. I'm Wade Phillips guy and bringing back Mack with Wade would be my ideal situation. Williams I'd like but with Gruden?!? Really need to see Rod in charge this year IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Derrick Ansley could be a DC option IMO. He did really wel as DB coach under Gruden and went on to be college DC, so now he has DC experience and the connection too...who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdigtheRaiders! Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 7:30 AM, IdigtheRaiders! said: Will Muschamp? Proven track record as a DC in the college ranks. Or Matt Patricia, assuming his time in Detroit is done? As a head coach, he ain't much --- but it's hard to knock him as a DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, IdigtheRaiders! said: Or Matt Patricia, assuming his time in Detroit is done? As a head coach, he ain't much --- but it's hard to knock him as a DC. Break the bank and get him to Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 7:25 AM, Dessie said: Didn’t Austin get fired from the Bengals after only a couple of months? Meh, I like what I saw from Austin quite a bit when he was in Detroit. Especially because I never thought that defense was particularly stacked with talent. It's tough to balance how much blame/how much credit a coordinator should get when you don't think they have a ton of talent overall. They were a very good unit in 2014, still pretty good overall (at least would be very good in our eyes with the defense we have seen recently here) and then kind of took a step back in 2016 and 2017. The one thing I do kind of like when looking back just statistically speaking was, they seemed to lack quality cover guys. They regularly gave up a pretty bad completion percentage, and QB rating, but that kind of seemed like it was a scheme decision. Because while they gave up a pretty high completion percentage and such, they compensated by being much better in relation when talking about YPC, YPA. Seems like his defenses may have been challenged in terms of talent but he had them fundamentally sound. They seemed to implore a bend but don't break defense, but in 2-3 of those years it worked relatively well because they could rally and make tackles. Pass rush was kind of inconsistent. They were a pretty dang good pass rushing unit in 2014, still serviceable in 2015 but in 16 and 17 it took a step back into our type of pass rush success. But again, how many guys on that Detroit roster struck fear into opponents in 16 and 17? That was when Anshah was constantly banged up, missing time, and they lacked any real legitimate pass rushing threat. Seems like Devin Taylor was their primary edge rusher for most of those seasons. Not sure I would put a ton of blame on Austin or his scheme when the defense is that devoid of talent. He probably wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he'd be a clear upgrade over Gunther at this point. At the very least he seemed to focus on fundamentals and not beating themselves when he knew his defense didn't have much to work with. Seems like his case is like a lot of coordinators, when you give them some good talent, they can get more creative and they can be more aggressive and field an impressive defense. He's obviously not going to take a defense full of scrubs and put out an elite unit. I think he'd be a good fit here helping get our guys more fundamentally sound. Playing a similar type of bend but don't break defense but likely with more success if he can help improve the tackling of this team which is downright pitiful at times, and with our offense he seems like a good fit as he would at least make teams put together long, sustained drives if they are going to score. He's also been apart of some very very successful defenses with Florida during Myers stint there, he was apart of the Cardinals defensive staff when they went to the Super Bowl. Was a member of the Ravens staff when they won the Super Bowl over the 49ers, and is now apart of one of the best defenses in the league with the Steelers. Plus if I remember correctly when he did have talent on that Detroit team they were very stingy in yards, points, good against the pass and rush, and created a fair amount of turnovers. If guys like Abram, Arnette, Johnson, Robertson take positive steps in development (which Austin would likely help with) and Mullen takes even another step it seems to me that we have a defensive backfield best suited to play a lot of press man coverage. Which I believe Austin used to great effect in 14 and 15. I have other guys higher on my list, but he would definitely be one of the candidates I would like for us to interview. And depending on how it shakes out I would MUCH prefer him to Gunther. I would also prefer him to Patricia who was just mentioned in this thread. I just have a hard time crediting what he did with NE just because we all know Belichick is the primary conductor of that defense. Countless defensive coordinators have came in and had "success" there while failing to field good defenses outside of NE. Seems like Bill is the constant there and obviously should get the bulk of the credit for all their great defenses over the years. Patricia has yet to put even a respectable defense on the field in Detroit. May just be a case of a guy being a coordinator and not a HC, and I'm not saying Detroit is flush with defensive talent, but he hasn't exactly got the most out of what they do have or shown great ability to develop young defensive players. I'm not saying I wouldn't give him a shot if it means Gunther is gone, but I have quite a few guys that would be higher on my list to take over the DC role than Patricia too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer026 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, IdigtheRaiders! said: Or Matt Patricia, assuming his time in Detroit is done? As a head coach, he ain't much --- but it's hard to knock him as a DC. The Patriots defense improved once he left, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Another thing I like about Austin is that he seemed to at least try and mold a system around the talent they had. When the talent was higher if was a focus more on an aggressive, stingy, risk taking defense to great effect. When the talent level dropped off pretty significantly he was at least trying a different style of defense to compensate. Instead of being rigid and sticking to the exact same style of defense when the quality had dropped off to such a degree he became less aggressive, less risky, more fundamentally focused on keeping plays in front of the defense and rallying to the ball and being sure tacklers. Things even the least talented defenses can do to at least attempt to make up for the lack of talent. Seems like a coach that knows the game and can be honest with himself and his evaluation of the defensive talent he has around him. Not stubborn in a my way or the highway type mindset that can make a talentless defense even worse. And that seems like a nice change of pace to Gunther who seems far more stuck in his ways of running HIS system regardless of talent level or if the pieces fit. Not making it a priority to coach a different type of system than what he's used to for the sake of playing to the talent he does have strength. That alone could go a long way for a team like ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: Break the bank and get him to Vegas I don’t understand the logic of a team not be willing to spending like 3M/yr on a DC. we’ll spend 27M over 3 years on Nassib, a back up DE.... how much of an impact in the best case scenario did we expect at the time of signing him? Well... that impact is a FRACTION of what a good DC would bring. Id spend within reason whatever it takes on an elite DC. Good coaching gives 10-20x the productivity to cost Ratio that a player can. we need to spend the money to get top NFL coach or a young, innovative college DC. we need a coach who can base his system on what we have, then add players that fit the system......not have a rigid system that forces us to scrap the talent we have to replace with players for their system. We need a coach who can adapt!!! Edited November 26, 2020 by jimkelly02 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer026 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Teryl Austin took over after Guenther left and the defense got worse. Not sure if that had to do with injuries or talent leaving. Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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