drfrey13 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Heard trey got cooked so much vs Texans he got pulled He might just be a case of a young guy in a new system or maybe he does not fit the system. Hope it is the first one and he grows into the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 21 hours ago, drfrey13 said: He might just be a case of a young guy in a new system or maybe he does not fit the system. Hope it is the first one and he grows into the role. One thing I liked about gus is he didn’t try too hard just kept it simple and let the guys play. He knew he didn’t have the time or players he needed so He kept it simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: One thing I liked about gus is he didn’t try too hard just kept it simple and let the guys play. He knew he didn’t have the time or players he needed so He kept it simple. And his defense sucked. What's your point? His defense was so simplistic, team would attack it effortlessly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, big_palooka said: And his defense sucked. What's your point? His defense was so simplistic, team would attack it effortlessly. Weve been so bad on D for so long, I think a lot of Raider fans just cant even fathom what a good D is. Its easy to think well if we just score every time we win. So its easy to blame the O. But realistically over the last 10 years, weve been a bottom 5 D more often than not. Every non Raider fan will tell you, if your a top 10 O, and bottom 5 D, you should work on your D. Raider fans think, well if we beome the #1 O, maybe we will overcome the bottom 5 D. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 I think we go heavy D on the draft this year. Excited to see what DZ can do with a bunch of picks focused on the D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: And his defense sucked. What's your point? His defense was so simplistic, team would attack it effortlessly. He was literally pulling guys off the couch lol and I could be wrong iirc it was josh, Carlson and the def that got us in the playoffs down the stretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: He was literally pulling guys off the couch lol and I could be wrong iirc it was josh, Carlson and the def that got us in the playoffs down the stretch So Winning is a QB stat, unless raiders win, then it is a team game? How many times have you told me qbs a winning stat and I’ve disagreed it’s a team stat. Lol. change the narrative to whatever you’re currently discussing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, BackinBlack said: So Winning is a QB stat, unless raiders win, then it is a team game? How many times have you told me qbs a winning stat and I’ve disagreed it’s a team stat. Lol. change the narrative to whatever you’re currently discussing No w/l always has and always will be a qb and coach stat. We all know and accept this. Real fans know the game details while history only cares about the outcome. Nice try tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, NCOUGHMAN said: No w/l always has and always will be a qb and coach stat. We all know and accept this. Real fans know the game details while history only cares about the outcome. Nice try tho So us raider fans know that a big reason why carrs overall win loss record is largely due to always having a bad defense. he has definitely had his fair share of brutal games, in there too. but he has had the worst set of Ds to throughout his career. Would be tough for anyone to be above even 500 with some of the garbage Carr Carr has been around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, BackinBlack said: So us raider fans know that a big reason why carrs overall win loss record is largely due to always having a bad defense. he has definitely had his fair share of brutal games, in there too. but he has had the worst set of Ds to throughout his career. Would be tough for anyone to be above even 500 with some of the garbage Carr Carr has been around Agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Agree to disagree Lol so is it a qb star or not ? I firmly say wins are not a qb stat. you seem on the fence. Put losses on Carr and wins on Jacob. just trying to learn the thought process. firmly believe Jacobs ran great against Indy last year, but Carr stepping up in the pocket to hit renfrow was a big part of the win. do you disagree and think that that play was nothing to do with Carr or renfrow? And just the threat of Jacobs ? 4 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: No w/l always has and always will be a qb and coach stat. We all know and accept this. Real fans know the game details while history only cares about the outcome. Nice try tho 2 hours ago, BackinBlack said: So us raider fans know that a big reason why carrs overall win loss record is largely due to always having a bad defense. he has definitely had his fair share of brutal games, in there too. but he has had the worst set of Ds to throughout his career. Would be tough for anyone to be above even 500 with some of the garbage Carr Carr has been around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Lol so is it a qb star or not ? I firmly say wins are not a qb stat. you seem on the fence. Put losses on Carr and wins on Jacob. just trying to learn the thought process. firmly believe Jacobs ran great against Indy last year, but Carr stepping up in the pocket to hit renfrow was a big part of the win. do you disagree and think that that play was nothing to do with Carr or renfrow? And just the threat of Jacobs ? Bro it’s Saturday relax I’ve had so many carr debates just check my historical posts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Bro it’s Saturday relax I’ve had so many carr debates just check my historical posts Hehe my problem is I get to relaxed. I am confident I’d be good friends with everyone on this board irl. I get a few drinks in me and I respond to posts clearly just trying to get a response. I think everyone in this board is a major fan, and clearly we can disagree but we all just want a win. We’ve been bad so long that we have no clear path to getting better. (a top 5 qb, a Better D, a better coach all would make us better) Edited October 30, 2022 by BackinBlack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 hours ago, BackinBlack said: So us raider fans know that a big reason why carrs overall win loss record is largely due to always having a bad defense. he has definitely had his fair share of brutal games, in there too. but he has had the worst set of Ds to throughout his career. Would be tough for anyone to be above even 500 with some of the garbage Carr Carr has been around Not saying Carr has had great, good, or even average defenses throughout his career but his production has not been great either. HIs situational awareness and lack of good red zone play has hurt his ability to win games just as much as his defense. 2016 he showed the ability to be clutch but still needed his defense to close out games that year. On average he has played better than most of the players on the team but when we have needed him to carry the team he his struggled. Jacobs has shown to be a bigger factor than Carr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Really missing Yannick and Jefferson right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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