NYRaider Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 14 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: It’s a pipe dream I'd call on Leonard Williams as well if he doesn't want to take a pay cut. I wonder if they'd be interested in Waller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/4/2023 at 11:51 AM, drfrey13 said: Let's sign Hargrave and Payne. We would have 4 guys on the line capable of 10+ sack season. Jones has regressed but next to those 3 he would probably face TEs all day. You would have to block 1v1 on a player capable of beating it on every play. Pipe dream but that is the closest to what Philly has that we could get. My fix would be bring the Payne draft Bryan Breece and bring back Arden Key. Crosby, Payne, Breese, Jones With Billings, Tillery, Key rotating in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 30 minutes ago, raidr4life said: My fix would be bring the Payne draft Bryan Breece and bring back Arden Key. Crosby, Payne, Breese, Jones With Billings, Tillery, Key rotating in. I wouldn't mind Breese but it would have to be with a trade down. Someone like Ika would be intriguing too if we signed Payne as a space eater in the middle that frees up the rest of the DL. Graham loves having big DL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, NYRaider said: I wouldn't mind Breese but it would have to be with a trade down. Someone like Ika would be intriguing too if we signed Payne as a space eater in the middle that frees up the rest of the DL. Graham loves having big DL. I like the idea of Ika. I get irritated every time I see Lawrence. Ika is not on that level but he is a big space eater with some ability to make plays in the backfield. We would definitely need to resign Billings or another vet for year 1. If/when he develops it would be fun to watch him lineup next to Payne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I like the idea of Ika. I get irritated every time I see Lawrence. Ika is not on that level but he is a big space eater with some ability to make plays in the backfield. We would definitely need to resign Billings or another vet for year 1. If/when he develops it would be fun to watch him lineup next to Payne. If we resign Billings cheap and Farrell can develop into a contributor we probably don't need another big space eating DT. I like Adam Butler and Jerry Tillery could also be decent depth behind someone like Payne or Hargrave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 9 minutes ago, NYRaider said: If we resign Billings cheap and Farrell can develop into a contributor we probably don't need another big space eating DT. I like Adam Butler and Jerry Tillery could also be decent depth behind someone like Payne or Hargrave. I am not a fan of Farrell becoming an above starter. We need talent and a day two NT is the sweet spot for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, drfrey13 said: I am not a fan of Farrell becoming an above starter. We need talent and a day two NT is the sweet spot for me. You don't think NFJ can be a contributor? He's a big boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 hours ago, NYRaider said: You don't think NFJ can be a contributor? He's a big boy. We have had many big boys come and go that were not worth keeping. Farrell has shown very little if anything that makes me believe he can be an above average starter which is the minimum we need at the position. He might be a decent rotation player but we can not rely on him to be the starter at least from what we have seen so far. I am not saying get rid of him but he is not going to stop me from taking Ika in the 2nd if he is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 10 hours ago, NYRaider said: If we resign Billings cheap and Farrell can develop into a contributor we probably don't need another big space eating DT. I like Adam Butler and Jerry Tillery could also be decent depth behind someone like Payne or Hargrave. They are not going to throw 20 mil a year at Payne or Hargrave imo. And it doesn't make sense to put all your resources on one FA. Fans always want the big names in FA. The smart play is getting a couple guys to bolster the roster at the same price you can over spend on the big name. Tomlinson, Jones for example... then put some other pieces around them. Teams are not built in FA. They are built through the draft, which where the Raiders have continued to fail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 6 hours ago, big_palooka said: They are not going to throw 20 mil a year at Payne or Hargrave imo. And it doesn't make sense to put all your resources on one FA. Fans always want the big names in FA. The smart play is getting a couple guys to bolster the roster at the same price you can over spend on the big name. Tomlinson, Jones for example... then put some other pieces around them. Teams are not built in FA. They are built through the draft, which where the Raiders have continued to fail. In principle that is a decent policy, however, I think for once DT needs to be sorted long term. We’ve not had a great DT in ages and constantly tried to patch up the position and so I think this should be a focus this year to finally get this problem position resolved. I wouldn’t be against a big payday to a quality player who is still young, or a top draft pick as it’ll impact so many other positions. I’d go bargain basket shopping at LB, S, WR and OG and wouldn’t spend much there but DT is a position that right now is worth it IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 16 minutes ago, Darbsk said: In principle that is a decent policy, however, I think for once DT needs to be sorted long term. We’ve not had a great DT in ages and constantly tried to patch up the position and so I think this should be a focus this year to finally get this problem position resolved. I wouldn’t be against a big payday to a quality player who is still young, or a top draft pick as it’ll impact so many other positions. I’d go bargain basket shopping at LB, S, WR and OG and wouldn’t spend much there but DT is a position that right now is worth it IMO. One big FA and one day 2 pick is on the high end of what I would want to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 6 hours ago, big_palooka said: They are not going to throw 20 mil a year at Payne or Hargrave imo. And it doesn't make sense to put all your resources on one FA. Fans always want the big names in FA. The smart play is getting a couple guys to bolster the roster at the same price you can over spend on the big name. Tomlinson, Jones for example... then put some other pieces around them. Teams are not built in FA. They are built through the draft, which where the Raiders have continued to fail. i liked the way Reggie way of attacking FA, which was filling holes with average starter types that allowed us to go BPA in the draft. Reggie's downfall was he couldnt draft for **** lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 18 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: One big FA and one day 2 pick is on the high end of what I would want to spend. Yeh, I could see that. Add a top quality FA and maybe a day 2 pick with upside who’ll take a year or 18 months to develop, there’s plenty of options in this draft that need development but very few who could possibly come in day one and make an instant impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 7 hours ago, big_palooka said: They are not going to throw 20 mil a year at Payne or Hargrave imo. And it doesn't make sense to put all your resources on one FA. Fans always want the big names in FA. The smart play is getting a couple guys to bolster the roster at the same price you can over spend on the big name. Tomlinson, Jones for example... then put some other pieces around them. Teams are not built in FA. They are built through the draft, which where the Raiders have continued to fail. Payne is an elite talent, we've desperately needed a difference maker on the interior DL for years. I'd be okay with Dalvin Tomlinson though, big bodied DL that has ties to Patrick Graham. Well if Ziegler is going to keep trading away premium picks, how else are you supposed to upgrade the roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Entire unit needs an overhaul this offseason, Guys that I'd pencil in as starters: Crosby, Jones, Hobbs, Moehrig (50-50) Potential starters that could be brought back: Perryman, Ya-Sin, Harmon, Billings Not sure they bring Perryman back and guys like Billings/Harmon can definitely be upgraded over. Even if they're all resigned we still need at minimum 1-2 more DT, another rotational edge, 2 LBs, 1-2 CBs, and 1 S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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