Nabbs4u Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 22 hours ago, Jroc04 said: God, I’m so glad that idiot isn’t our owner. Just shut your mouth Jerry. It doesn’t ALWAYS have to be about you. But continue to tear the team apart. It’s amusing on this side. Jerry has always been a Media Whore! He can't help himself. Theres not another Owner in Professional Sports not just the NFL Professional Sports that's talks to the Media as much as Jones! Literally Can't Shut his Mouth! At least Snyder as pathetic as He is, doesnt do that? Which speaks volumes about the Egomaniac Jery Jones is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Gmen said: Jones has more arm talent than Wentz according to beat writer who covered both players Thoughts 🤔 Ah the good ol' measurable statistic of "arm talent" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: Ah the good ol' measurable statistic of "arm talent" Well since his 16/19 (with one drop), 210 yards, 2 TDs measurable statistics don’t count BecAusE iTs PreSeAson, I’m trying to show that what we’ve seen in preseason has been routine throughout OTAs and training camp. Not an aberration. Stat line aside, you can see talent regardless of whether it’s preseason or regular season. It took Saquon one carry last preseason to show he was going to be a stud in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I remember when Bradford went up and down on GB that preseason. People lost their minds. The regular season is an animal Daniel Jones has never seen before. Any player worth their behind should pick apart a preseason defense. A lot of players have nice physical skills. Like, almost every QB in the NFL today. It’s his ability to look at a professional defense, read it, and continually and efficiently move the ball that matters. He’ll get his shot to prove that. It’ll be a long time before anyone realizes he’s a quality QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Hockey5djh said: Ah the good ol' measurable statistic of "arm talent" Its pretty much the same as "eye test" that Eagles fans use to prop up Wentz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Jroc04 said: I remember when Bradford went up and down on GB that preseason. People lost their minds. The regular season is an animal Daniel Jones has never seen before. Any player worth their behind should pick apart a preseason defense. A lot of players have nice physical skills. Like, almost every QB in the NFL today. It’s his ability to look at a professional defense, read it, and continually and efficiently move the ball that matters. He’ll get his shot to prove that. It’ll be a long time before anyone realizes he’s a quality QB. For sure He’ll have his ups and downs as he learns the game and gains experience. But the biggest knock on him as a prospect was that his arm was just “okay”. And that doesn’t appear to be the case at all based on preseason and everything we’ve been hearing out of OTAs and training camp. It doesn’t take regular season games to see throwing mechanics, accuracy, and arm strength. The stats may not matter, but you can’t ignore the talent. I heard Stidham was having a good preseason so I watched his highlights side by side with Jones. Similar stats, but you can see a clear difference in arm talent. You can see which one was a top 10 pick. Edited August 20, 2019 by Gmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Its pretty much the same as "eye test" that Eagles fans use to prop up Wentz. Tape test* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Tape test* Bias test tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Bias test tbh Tape comparison back to back is probably a little better than searching every corner of the internet for statistics that might make him look good. Removing inconvenient things like "he was missing x, so it doesn't count" Or once you get those stats, ignoring context of said stats. Like getting chances to make comebacks being much larger do to his lack of production over the course of the game. Or his efficiency perhaps being a by product of either a conscious play design or do to Dak's limited ability to read a field and make higher risk/reward throws that other QBs do. You can slant stats anyway you want...eye in the sky don't lie. Tape watching has many point of data and analysis that cold numbers will never show you, there's no stat that shows Carson evading pressure from two guys while reading his progressions then slinging it downfield. Just like there's no stat showing the 35+ easy completion Dak misses as he stares down a wideout like a creep from across a bar and throws a quick 8 yarder The criticism of Wentz v Dak starts and ends with Carson's health. If Carson is Healthy, he's better than Dak, full stop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Matts' seems to forget that Wentz has outperformed Dak both of the last two years, Fans, NFL Players, and NFL Executives all take Wentz by a fair margin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Like getting chances to make comebacks being much larger do to his lack of production over the course of the game. Dak has had the 8th fewest opportunities tho... so you are wrong Quote The criticism of Wentz v Dak starts and ends with Carson's health. If Carson is Healthy, he's better than Dak, full stop. And arm talent. And eye test. And tape test. And stats. Dak wins in all of those. Edited August 20, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBreezy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Dude are you dating Dak Prescott? Moved on from the big girls of Texas? I’ve never seen someone so obsessed with one player and proving others wrong* *Besides that one bananas dude who always propped up Keith Rivers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaaaaaah Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Dak has had the 8th fewest opportunities tho... so you are wrong And arm talent. And eye test. And tape test. And stats. Dak wins in all of those. You win in full of **** competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Dak has had the 8th fewest opportunities tho... so you are wrong Compared to who? A note: I think this is a dumb stat for how good a QB is. I understand it’s used as a metric to quantify the “clutch” “he’s just a winner” stuff people have spewed for ages. But it’s so situational. I mean Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton are in the top ten active and they have been largely middle tier QBs like Dak their whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Compared to who? A note: I think this is a dumb stat for how good a QB is. I understand it’s used as a metric to quantify the “clutch” “he’s just a winner” stuff people have spewed for ages. But it’s so situational. I mean Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton are in the top ten active and they have been largely middle tier QBs like Dak their whole career. The entirety of the NFL. All of them. Thats the comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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