Matts4313 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Danger said: With QB there's more of a dichotomy than at any other position. "Can this guy win us a Superbowl? Yes/No" There are bandaid guys but they fall under the "No" part of it. Will never be "The Guy" Agreed. Its a guy you sign to win some games while you develop someone else. 6 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: You just love to argue semantics. Lol in terms of the entire cap and the way it is at every other position there is no middle tier I really dont think I am arguing semantics here. When 2 guys sign a contract and 1 guy gets 30% more; I personally think that is significant. One of those people is seen as *the* guy. The other one is seen as a guy. If some team signs Dalton to ~$20 something mil this offseason, no one is thinking #superbowl. And the guy is not getting paid to carry them there. Thats a mid-tier signing relative to the QB market. Edited February 4, 2020 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Agreed. Its a guy you sign to win some games while you develop someone else. I really dont think I am arguing semantics here. When 2 guys sign a contract and 1 guy gets 30% more; I personally think that is significant. One of those people is seen as *the* guy. The other one is seen as a guy. If some team signs Dalton to ~$20 something mil this offseason, no one is thinking #superbowl. And the guy is not getting paid to carry them there. Thats a mid-tier signing relative to the QB market. Imagine using literal semantics to argue against using semantics. Imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: Imagine using literal semantics to argue against using semantics. Imagine. Imagine someone trying to converse a subject and not being able to stay on point. Imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Dak and Wentz both at 16-1 odds for MVP. Which was top 10 in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlesthought Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Gettleman trading back? I wonder how far back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Prescott, who will turn 27 before the 2020 NFL season begins, has played for the Cowboys for four seasons. According to the Star-Telegram, he decided that his play through four seasons - 65.8% completion, 97 touchdowns, 36 interceptions, 7.6 yards per attempt - was worth more than $33 million per year: "The two sides came close to deal in September on a contract that would have paid him roughly $33 million annually, sources said, before talks broke down when Prescott upped his asking price." Those are very solid numbers, but that's an extremely bold valuation of his own worth from the young gunslinger. And then there's this bomb from the Star-Telegram story: "According to sources, Prescott is looking for a deal that would pay him as much or more than Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, who is the league’s highest-paid player at $35 million annually. The rest of the top five consists of four other quarterbacks — Pittsburgh Steelers’ Ben Roethlisberger at $34 million, Los Angeles Rams’ Jared Goff and Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers at $33.5 million and Philadelphia Eagles’ Carson Wentz at $32 million." damn son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 In what world does he deserve more than Russell Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, Jroc04 said: Prescott, who will turn 27 before the 2020 NFL season begins, has played for the Cowboys for four seasons. According to the Star-Telegram, he decided that his play through four seasons - 65.8% completion, 97 touchdowns, 36 interceptions, 7.6 yards per attempt - was worth more than $33 million per year: "The two sides came close to deal in September on a contract that would have paid him roughly $33 million annually, sources said, before talks broke down when Prescott upped his asking price." Those are very solid numbers, but that's an extremely bold valuation of his own worth from the young gunslinger. And then there's this bomb from the Star-Telegram story: "According to sources, Prescott is looking for a deal that would pay him as much or more than Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, who is the league’s highest-paid player at $35 million annually. The rest of the top five consists of four other quarterbacks — Pittsburgh Steelers’ Ben Roethlisberger at $34 million, Los Angeles Rams’ Jared Goff and Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers at $33.5 million and Philadelphia Eagles’ Carson Wentz at $32 million." damn son Without the context of the contract, this information is nothing but clickbait. How long? How much GTD? What incentives? Etc etc 11 minutes ago, Danger said: In what world does he deserve more than Russell Wilson? A year later is the only justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Without the context of the contract, this information is nothing but clickbait. How long? How much GTD? What incentives? Etc etc A year later is the only justification. You can make an argument that he deserves to be paid more than those he's performing relatively on par with or even just above, but just because it's your turn to get paid doesn't mean you're worth more than someone who is clearly outperforming you during your whole career in the league (Russell) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Danger said: You can make an argument that he deserves to be paid more than those he's performing relatively on par with or even just above, but just because it's your turn to get paid doesn't mean you're worth more than someone who is clearly outperforming you during your whole career in the league (Russell) Goff is $34, Wilson is $35. So we are splitting hairs a bit. This argument could just be "Dak wants more than Goff" and no one would give a damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Goff is $34, Wilson is $35. So we are splitting hairs a bit. This argument could just be "Dak wants more than Goff" and no one would give a damn. I agree tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Without the context of the contract, this information is nothing but clickbait. How long? How much GTD? What incentives? Etc etc A year later is the only justification. It says 33M a year and then Dak upped the price. Who knows where the “source” or info is coming from. But for talks to stall means there’s come certain discrepancies. And when you’re talking contracts, you’re talking money. Whether that’s guaranteed or longevity or whatever. It all points to $$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jroc04 said: 26 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Without the context of the contract, this information is nothing but clickbait. How long? How much GTD? What incentives? Etc etc A year later is the only justification. It says 33M a year and then Dak upped the price. Who knows where the “source” or info is coming from. But for talks to stall means there’s come certain discrepancies. And when you’re talking contracts, you’re talking money. Whether that’s guaranteed or longevity or whatever. It all points to $$$. Okay? This all seems pretty obvious. The big rumor has been over the length of contract. Dallas wants a ~7 year contract. Dak wants a ~4 year deal so that he can renegotiate after the next CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/5/2020 at 11:28 AM, nlesthought said: Gettleman trading back? I wonder how far back He's never shown interest in trading back before. I doubt he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlesthought Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: He's never shown interest in trading back before. I doubt he does. If some team comes calling to get ahead of Miami/LAC for a QB you're saying he won't? That spot seems like a prime position to trade back and still get the defensive player he covets. Do I want him to make that kind of move? No. Pick an OT Edited February 10, 2020 by nlesthought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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