WindyCity Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 If he continues on this path and caps out at really good, but not elite. 28/season in 2 years. 6 years 168 million/100 guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: I would ask the inverse to what have you seen that would say he cant. Everyone is always throwing up some new thing we've never seen him do, until he does it. It's actually comical at this point. He cant throw to his left, oh theres a TD pass to his left. Well he has never thrown 2 TDs in game. Damn theres his 2nd TD against Seattle. Well he'll never throw 6 TDs in a game like Mahomes just did. Oops TB. Well he hasnt beaten a div opponent. Det and Minny fall back to back. Well he has never played well on the road. SF and Minny back to back. How does he play when the game is in the line? Damn he actually plays really well typically putting his team in position to win. Now its, he cant win if the defense isnt outstanding. I guess that's the next fallacy to fall. As for extensions, this sounds like clickbait, and we have to see what happens next year and the year after before we worry about any of it Mahomes had an insane year that he will probably not replicate. This is his first year so lets see what next year brings when teams have tape on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nads786 said: Mahomes had an insane year that he will probably not replicate. This is his first year so lets see what next year brings when teams have tape on him. I agree and I'm not comparing what 10 did this year to what Mahomes did, I'm just talking about the insane level of moving the goal posts that was this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I like Trubisky and think he's going to be really good, but I think unless he gets hurt Mahomes is going to be a super star and my gut tells me Hall of Fame. Its probably going to dog both Mitch and Watson to a lesser extent, that is unless they win rings. Should be interesting for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 billion dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: I would ask the inverse to what have you seen that would say he cant. Everyone is always throwing up some new thing we've never seen him do, until he does it. It's actually comical at this point. He cant throw to his left, oh theres a TD pass to his left. Well he has never thrown 2 TDs in game. Damn theres his 2nd TD against Seattle. Well he'll never throw 6 TDs in a game like Mahomes just did. Oops TB. Well he hasnt beaten a div opponent. Det and Minny fall back to back. Well he has never played well on the road. SF and Minny back to back. How does he play when the game is in the line? Damn he actually plays really well typically putting his team in position to win. Now its, he cant win if the defense isnt outstanding. I guess that's the next fallacy to fall. As for extensions, this sounds like clickbait, and we have to see what happens next year and the year after before we worry about any of it Alas. I only have one football to give... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: I would ask the inverse to what have you seen that would say he cant. Everyone is always throwing up some new thing we've never seen him do, until he does it. It's actually comical at this point. He cant throw to his left, oh theres a TD pass to his left. Well he has never thrown 2 TDs in game. Damn theres his 2nd TD against Seattle. Well he'll never throw 6 TDs in a game like Mahomes just did. Oops TB. Well he hasnt beaten a div opponent. Det and Minny fall back to back. Well he has never played well on the road. SF and Minny back to back. How does he play when the game is in the line? Damn he actually plays really well typically putting his team in position to win. Now its, he cant win if the defense isnt outstanding. I guess that's the next fallacy to fall. As for extensions, this sounds like clickbait, and we have to see what happens next year and the year after before we worry about any of it Supe. Are you best friends with Mitch? Be honest. It's cool, I won't judge. As I said, it was only a discussion piece. No need to get so defensive. Forget about any other question about him and concentrate on this one. There is nothing wrong with asking a question to stir conversation about an important quality that generally separates the average QB's from the good/great ones. This forum needs more discussions like these and not just fluff all the time. This is what draws in all of those quality posters that we have seemingly lost here over the years. But anyhow, QB Qualities like this are questioned by every QB and they continue to be questioned until said QB proves otherwise. Almost every single young player goes through this. It's nothing new, but it is important. This is important because in order for him to be worth 200M(or anything close) then he needs to show that he has the ability to carry the team on his back when it's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Alas. I only have one football to give... I'd give you one but I kicked it and it hit the upright.....go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagabears Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don't know personally if Mahomes will regress but he had a hell of a season. As to whether he will be or deserves to be the league's first 200M QB the jury is still out. If he puts up similar numbers he will definitely be in the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOGRIESE Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It would be interesting seeing the franchise tag numbers and potentially just rolling with that for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I like how the OP made it seem like they’re even in the same ballpark. If Mahomes continues on with this seasons success and can play at the level for the next few years I would crown him best qb in the nfl. Right now trubisky is middle of the pack which is high praise from me because before the season he was looking like bottom of the pack. I don’t think there’s a correlation between him getting $200m and trubisky getting $200m as well lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 10:18 PM, JustAnotherFan said: Supe. Are you best friends with Mitch? Be honest. It's cool, I won't judge. As I said, it was only a discussion piece. No need to get so defensive. Forget about any other question about him and concentrate on this one. There is nothing wrong with asking a question to stir conversation about an important quality that generally separates the average QB's from the good/great ones. This forum needs more discussions like these and not just fluff all the time. This is what draws in all of those quality posters that we have seemingly lost here over the years. But anyhow, QB Qualities like this are questioned by every QB and they continue to be questioned until said QB proves otherwise. Almost every single young player goes through this. It's nothing new, but it is important. This is important because in order for him to be worth 200M(or anything close) then he needs to show that he has the ability to carry the team on his back when it's needed. I'm not being defensive, but I have to completely disagree with the statement "all young players have to answer these questions". What's happened with Mitch and the narrative this year is unlike anything I've seen before. People have legitimately tried to find things to discredit him all year. Let me give you some examples: In Derek Carrs 2nd year in the league he was being anointed as elite with a lower TD% a higher INT % a lower passer rating and a lower QBR. Jared Goff had things said like it was bc of McVay, and him calling plays at the LOS, but nobody was saying he was a bad QB. Deshaun Watson's "great" season has been talked about Ad nauseam, which is hilarious when you realize that he and Trubisky had essentially THE SAME SEASON.I honestly have never seen anything like this. And it's not against you JAF but the move the goalpost QB prognostucators have been unjustly harsh against this kid, and I'm dying to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: I'm not being defensive, but I have to completely disagree with the statement "all young players have to answer these questions". What's happened with Mitch and the narrative this year is unlike anything I've seen before. People have legitimately tried to find things to discredit him all year. Let me give you some examples: In Derek Carrs 2nd year in the league he was being anointed as elite with a lower TD% a higher INT % a lower passer rating and a lower QBR. Jared Goff had things said like it was bc of McVay, and him calling plays at the LOS, but nobody was saying he was a bad QB. Deshaun Watson's "great" season has been talked about Ad nauseam, which is hilarious when you realize that he and Trubisky had essentially THE SAME SEASON.I honestly have never seen anything like this. And it's not against you JAF but the move the goalpost QB prognostucators have been unjustly harsh against this kid, and I'm dying to know why. I think it comes down to the draft he was taken in. It was immediately popular to slag on the trade to draft Trubisky, as it seems likely they could have had him with no trade. There were 4 hot QB's drafted. Watson had more success and more flash in 17, so even though his situation was superior it was natural to compare Trubisky unfavorably with Watson. Now Mahomes looks like a superstar, and was drafted later (by a team that seemed to have Trubisky ranked higher btw), so makes the Trubisky decision seem bad since Mahomes outperformed Trubisky signigicantly. What's curious is you don't really hear Mahomes vs Watson comparisons; likely because of draft position it'll always be whoever vs Trubisky. Imagery plays a part. If you asked a casual fan outside the NFC North to think of a Trubisky play, I would posit that the famous screenshot of Trubisky throwing away from an open receiver would be what they think of. Trubisky had some stinker interceptions this year that just happen to be really photogenic, It's not at all fair, but it's inevtiable that the draft being viewed as "bad" sticks with people, and having a better player drafted later adds to that. I got over it early, as I think Trubisky this year could have won a Superbowl if everything had worked out better. Hopefully soon he becomes the reason the Bears could win one instead of simply not holding them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, RunningVaccs said: I think it comes down to the draft he was taken in. It was immediately popular to slag on the trade to draft Trubisky, as it seems likely they could have had him with no trade. There were 4 hot QB's drafted. Watson had more success and more flash in 17, so even though his situation was superior it was natural to compare Trubisky unfavorably with Watson. Now Mahomes looks like a superstar, and was drafted later (by a team that seemed to have Trubisky ranked higher btw), so makes the Trubisky decision seem bad since Mahomes outperformed Trubisky signigicantly. What's curious is you don't really hear Mahomes vs Watson comparisons; likely because of draft position it'll always be whoever vs Trubisky. Imagery plays a part. If you asked a casual fan outside the NFC North to think of a Trubisky play, I would posit that the famous screenshot of Trubisky throwing away from an open receiver would be what they think of. Trubisky had some stinker interceptions this year that just happen to be really photogenic, It's not at all fair, but it's inevtiable that the draft being viewed as "bad" sticks with people, and having a better player drafted later adds to that. I got over it early, as I think Trubisky this year could have won a Superbowl if everything had worked out better. Hopefully soon he becomes the reason the Bears could win one instead of simply not holding them back. Let me tell you, if Cody Parkey makes that FG 10 is 100% then reason the Bears win that game. The defense crapped the bed at the absolute worst time. There were only 10 men on the field for the first TD, and then McManis misplays the quick out on the 2nd TD. There were 4 QBs making their first playoff start this year. MT10 had the best performance of all 4, and the only one who was even close to what he did was Mahomes. Watson and Jackson looked like horsecrap (particularly Jackson who had 31 yards passing thru 3 qtrs). This was after everyone was saying that Trubisky was the worst QB in the playoffs. A playoffs mind you that included Dak and Jackson. Again comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: I'm not being defensive, but I have to completely disagree with the statement "all young players have to answer these questions". What's happened with Mitch and the narrative this year is unlike anything I've seen before. People have legitimately tried to find things to discredit him all year. Let me give you some examples: In Derek Carrs 2nd year in the league he was being anointed as elite with a lower TD% a higher INT % a lower passer rating and a lower QBR. Jared Goff had things said like it was bc of McVay, and him calling plays at the LOS, but nobody was saying he was a bad QB. Deshaun Watson's "great" season has been talked about Ad nauseam, which is hilarious when you realize that he and Trubisky had essentially THE SAME SEASON.I honestly have never seen anything like this. And it's not against you JAF but the move the goalpost QB prognostucators have been unjustly harsh against this kid, and I'm dying to know why. RunningVaccs beat me to the same point I was going to make. But just to expand on it a bit more. His draft position has alot to do with it. Being a top pick in the draft is always going to generate both hate and love. This is especially true for QB's. That's just the nature of the business. This point is magnified ten fold by the fact that A) not many people watch the Bears because we have sucked for so long. B) Many people were already down on Mitch going into the draft and C) then we traded up to get a player that many people didn't like. And let's face it, not many like to admit they were wrong, so it is naturally going to take alot more from Mitch than others for them to change their minds. Not saying it's right, but it happens. hell, Goff still gets this same treatment. 12 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: Let me tell you, if Cody Parkey makes that FG 10 is 100% then reason the Bears win that game. The defense crapped the bed at the absolute worst time. There were only 10 men on the field for the first TD, and then McManis misplays the quick out on the 2nd TD. There were 4 QBs making their first playoff start this year. MT10 had the best performance of all 4, and the only one who was even close to what he did was Mahomes. Watson and Jackson looked like horsecrap (particularly Jackson who had 31 yards passing thru 3 qtrs). This was after everyone was saying that Trubisky was the worst QB in the playoffs. A playoffs mind you that included Dak and Jackson. Again comical. Now you know damn well that had Parkey made that FG and the Bears win that game, people would be saying that Mitch was not the reason they won. But since they lost, they lost because of Mitch (even though we know that is not the case). That's just how it goes. The only thing that is going to change the minds of some is if Mitch and the offense go off on a prime time game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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