DaBoys Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Calvert28 said: Out of those posts only 2 put of the 5 in each of those Twitter stat post have been reasonably successful playoff QBs. I found this article interesting. Disappointed if it's TRUE but I cant really blame him. Especially with current management but this can hurt us. https://sports.yahoo.com/dak-prescott-cites-gisele-bundchen-reason-not-give-cowboys-tom-brady-discount-010836103.html That's dumb. Brady takes discounts to help his team win championships. I think he could find a way to survive on $17M a year without a wife... idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, DaBoys said: That's dumb. Brady takes discounts to help his team win championships. I think he could find a way to survive on $17M a year without a wife... idk. I think it’s definitely both. Brady’s also had unprecedented longevity which gives him a little more confidence that he’ll continue to last while most guys are concerned about their career duration. On principle, players taking less than they’re worth is stupid though. It just sets a bad precedent and allows owners to continue to find ways to suppress wages even as the cap explodes. I’m positive there are many players out there, from practice squad pittance types to guys who’ve made tens of millions, who resent Brady for doing this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, matt79511 said: I think it’s definitely both. Brady’s also had unprecedented longevity which gives him a little more confidence that he’ll continue to last while most guys are concerned about their career duration. On principle, players taking less than they’re worth is stupid though. It just sets a bad precedent and allows owners to continue to find ways to suppress wages even as the cap explodes. I’m positive there are many players out there, from practice squad pittance types to guys who’ve made tens of millions, who resent Brady for doing this. I suppose you're right. Players probably do resent. As a fan though it's hard not to side with the team. All we want is a Championship and Tony Romo getting rich did nothing to ease the disappointment of not getting one if you know what I mean. Edited February 13, 2019 by DaBoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBoys said: I suppose your right. Players probably do resent. As a fan though it's hard not to side with the team. All we want is a Championship and Tony Romo getting rich did nothing to ease the disappointment of not getting one if you know what I mean. Unfortunately that’s just the norm. You don’t Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers taking pay cuts. You can say “yeah but they’re Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers” but they only have one ring apiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, DaBoys said: That's dumb. Brady takes discounts to help his team win championships. I think he could find a way to survive on $17M a year without a wife... idk. It is, I agree and if i had Billicheck i would definitely take a pay cut. To play devils advocate this franchise has a history of outrageously over players and ruining our chances at better players. The team seems closer then it has in the past. But if this FO decides to make DLaw the highest paid DE in the NFL to make a statement on how much they love their players I couldnt blame Dak for wanting top dollar. Billicheck is as shrewd as the come and knows who's worth what despite not being a numbers guy. Dallas has been better at not over paying guys and releasing them when the contracts become too much, but their problem is they dont have a legit backup plan when they do do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, SweetFancyMoses said: I'd rather sign Tyrod Taylor on a 1 or 2 year 10mil per season than give Dak $20+ mil per season on a long contract. Dak = younger Tyrod Taylor. Honestly, I'd offer Arizona a 2nd and a conditional 2020 5th for Josh Rosen. I’m no fan of Quincy, but I’d take him every day of the week and twice on Sunday when compared to Tyrod Taylor. And.....I really don’t think Arizona would take that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, matt79511 said: Unfortunately that’s just the norm. You don’t Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers taking pay cuts. You can say “yeah but they’re Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers” but they only have one ring apiece. To be fair, no player should ever take a pay cut. If the NFL was truly sincere about maintaining proper competitive balance rather than striving to make every team go 8-8 (Paul Tagliabue’s master plan), it would consider moving QB salaries into their own separate salary cap pool from the main one. This way, teams can retain their players more efficiently. @Matts4313 has a really good idea on this as well. I don’t want to butcher his idea, but the main concept is to allow teams to take a 10% discount against the cap for extending players they drafted. I think it’s a great alternative to mine. Edited February 13, 2019 by plan9misfit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 The hard part is justifying what a QB is worth. Not many are worth 12-15% of their cap and that includes Dak. To account for that much of the cap you have to be able to carry your team regardless of what is around you and again, not many can. Like @plan9misfit said, there needs to be a way where you are accounting for some or all of the QB cap in a separate pool. Or do something similar to the NBA and allow you to go over the cap if resigning your own players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 18 hours ago, D82 said: G O A T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, D82 said: I just wasted 3 straight likes on you. But you deserve it. Edited February 14, 2019 by resilient part 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Do I want him to take a hometown discount? Oh hell ya. But for people telling him to take a hometown discount is super disrespectful to a young player. He ain't having none of that. Also keep in mind, we only usually tell veteran players willing to win championships AFTER they made their big money. Yeah Brady took a discount , but he already has made enough from previous contracts lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 hours ago, canadaluvsdallas said: Do I want him to take a hometown discount? Oh hell ya. But for people telling him to take a hometown discount is super disrespectful to a young player. He ain't having none of that. Also keep in mind, we only usually tell veteran players willing to win championships AFTER they made their big money. Yeah Brady took a discount , but he already has made enough from previous contracts lol. Brady took discounts on every contract. He never cashed in on the huge deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: Brady took discounts on every contract. He never cashed in on the huge deal. True. It's pretty crazy what he has signed for previously. I don't know who said it in previous posts but I wouldn't be surprised if there is some animosity towards Brady among the other players. I mean to each their own, but Brady could have set the standards for pay much higher. Contract History Team Contract Type Status Year Signed Yrs Total APY Guarantees Amount Earned % Earned Effective APY Patriots Drafted Renegotiated 2000 3 $864,500 $288,167 $38,500 $559,500 64.7% $279,750 Patriots Extension Renegotiated 2002 4 $30,125,000 $7,531,250 $9,500,000 $18,500,000 61.4% $6,166,667 Patriots Extension Renegotiated 2005 4 $48,000,000 $12,000,000 $26,500,000 $54,000,000 112.5% $10,800,000 Patriots Extension Renegotiated 2010 4 $72,000,000 $18,000,000 $18,300,000 $48,500,000 67.4% $16,166,667 Patriots Other Renegotiated 2013 5 $57,000,000 $11,400,000 $33,000,000 $41,000,000 71.9% $13,666,667 Patriots Extension Active 2016 2 $41,000,000 $20,500,000 $28,000,000 $44,764,706 109.2% $14,921,569 $11m/yr avg with 2013 contract. Unbelievable. Pats hit the lottery in more ways than one with Brady. But, as Dak said, not everyone has a spouse worth nearly $400m either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, plan9misfit said: Brady took discounts on every contract. He never cashed in on the huge deal. I'm getting tired of QBs being compared to Brady. The dude is an Alien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 On 2019-02-14 at 3:02 PM, WizardHawk said: True. It's pretty crazy what he has signed for previously. I don't know who said it in previous posts but I wouldn't be surprised if there is some animosity towards Brady among the other players. I mean to each their own, but Brady could have set the standards for pay much higher. Contract History Team Contract Type Status Year Signed Yrs Total APY Guarantees Amount Earned % Earned Effective APY Patriots Drafted Renegotiated 2000 3 $864,500 $288,167 $38,500 $559,500 64.7% $279,750 Patriots Extension Renegotiated 2002 4 $30,125,000 $7,531,250 $9,500,000 $18,500,000 61.4% $6,166,667 Patriots Extension Renegotiated 2005 4 $48,000,000 $12,000,000 $26,500,000 $54,000,000 112.5% $10,800,000 Patriots Extension Renegotiated 2010 4 $72,000,000 $18,000,000 $18,300,000 $48,500,000 67.4% $16,166,667 Patriots Other Renegotiated 2013 5 $57,000,000 $11,400,000 $33,000,000 $41,000,000 71.9% $13,666,667 Patriots Extension Active 2016 2 $41,000,000 $20,500,000 $28,000,000 $44,764,706 109.2% $14,921,569 $11m/yr avg with 2013 contract. Unbelievable. Pats hit the lottery in more ways than one with Brady. But, as Dak said, not everyone has a spouse worth nearly $400m either. Supermodel wife or not, I'm pretty sure most people could get by on what Dak would get if he took a discount. Players should get paid, but I dont want to hear how Brady is able to take a discount because his wife is worth so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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