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Dak, the QB of the future or not.


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Dak, the QB of the future or NOT  

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  1. 1. Has Dak shown enough to make Dak our QB going forward, OR NOT!

    • definitely has shown enough promise to build around
    • NO he sucks and Dallas needs to find his replacement.


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21 hours ago, quiller said:

I did not give Dak a pass just said Mahones hasn’t done anything in playoffs yet more than Dak. And Goff has won two games yes but said Goff didn’t do better in his wins this year then Dak did in his two games this year 

again if you just count our games sure okay. Great we couldn’t stop watson or Luck but also. Dak really outplayed Brees does that count. I don’t think so 

   Luck And Watson were terrible in there teams last play off games and Watson has been terrible the second half of the season.  Did you see the Baltimore game what a train wreck. Dak even in some of the bad games last war didn’t play that bad.  and just how much trust injury wise you give Luck 

YES Dak is not a top ten QB but the unwillingness to acknowledge also the weakness and bad play of other QB is just 

who cares about career 300 games.  Look at what NE just did to KC for three qtrs  tell Brady threw a interception to get KC rolling.  ( again16 total yrds 1st half)

Look what a Dak did to the giants when it was all on him throwing.   Our offense is designed for controlling the clock so our D is fresh taking advantage of our best player not throwing the ball 300 plus yards sure Dak can do that and has in the past but that isn’t the best for him or this team 

AND yes before the haters hate DAK is no where near the pure passer Mahones or Goff is but he has other talents and skills those players do not and yes he has shown he is clutch as he right now has as many winning 4 th qtr drives in the playoffs as Either of those players   

And yes if I was redrafting Qb in the NFL from scratch I would take Mahimes over Dak. Not sure yet about Goff   Like ever one says one year success is no indicator   And GOFF is about third or fourth on the list of why the rams are in the super bowl this year. Rams D- Rams running game- Official call. 

You wanna know why the part is bold is totally inaccurate? Mahomes got to the AFC Championship Game and Goff is going to the Super Bowl. Regardless of their play (which was clearly good enough to get there), they went deeper than we did. 

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15 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

He had a chance if you remember him not being able to complete a simple pass to the TE on our 2nd to last possession. If he had enough chances to win the game then those are the chances that cost us the game.

And why do people keep bringing up the defense when discussing Dak? How many times are they supposed to bail him out of these situations. Why is it always our defense has to keep the offense to 15 points or less? You don't think this defense was gonna have a bad day or two? Not any word about Dak actually going above his average and delivering a "franchise" like performance?

He’s incapable of delivering franchise calibre performances. As we’ve said from the beginning, he doesn’t have the talent to do that because he’s not a franchise QB. He doesn’t possess the accuracy, arm talent, pocket awareness, or general ability to break down defenses to ever be a franchise QB. At best, he’s a backup level QB whom you always root for because he possesses the intangibles and character qualities you want, but not the physical and mental ones. As I keep saying, he is not an NFL calibre QB.

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30 minutes ago, plan9misfit said:

It’s had one for decades. Dan Marino always won the accuracy challenge.

Well they did away with it then they brought it back. Did you watch 2016?  I think it was Dak vs. Rivers or Brees or both. but it wasn't pretty.  

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2 hours ago, plan9misfit said:

You wanna know why the part is bold is totally inaccurate? Mahomes got to the AFC Championship Game and Goff is going to the Super Bowl. Regardless of their play (which was clearly good enough to get there), they went deeper than we did. 

Yeah and that’s why a lot of us gets a little upset at this whole debate it seems a lot of people blame Dak for not getting us to the super bowl this year or the championship game.      My comment is Dak played personally as well as Mahomes or Goff this year so why didn’t the the boys make it BECAUSE his TEAMMATES did not play as well as the team mates of GOFF and MAHOMES  

in other words if the QB’s would have been switched we had Goff they had Dak IMO they still would have won and If we had Mahones instead of Dak we still would have LOST

and FYI we Dak 22 points at LA. Brees scored 23 at home against them and lost as well so. Obviously having Brees wouldn’t have helped us much either   It’s a team game Dak is good enough to get us there this team was good enough they just didn’t and mostly the D play good enough to make it

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18 minutes ago, quiller said:

Yeah and that’s why a lot of us gets a little upset at this whole debate it seems a lot of people blame Dak for not getting us to the super bowl this year or the championship game.      My comment is Dak played personally as well as Mahomes or Goff this year so why didn’t the the boys make it BECAUSE his TEAMMATES did not play as well as the team mates of GOFF and MAHOMES  

in other words if the QB’s would have been switched we had Goff they had Dak IMO they still would have won and If we had Mahones instead of Dak we still would have LOST

Uh, no. Quincy didn’t play nearly as well as the other two this season. I honestly don’t know how you can even suggest that. Mahomes should win the NFL MVP. Quincy? Yeah, not even close.

If you think for a second that we would’ve been the same team with Mahomes or Goff at QB, then you need your head examined. Both Mahomes and Goff made their teammates better. Quincy didn’t and can’t do that. 

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Here's the problem with the argument that "300 yard games don't matter."

 

Sure, on paper it may not always translate to winning.  But the stats are misleading based on the losing team airing it out towards the end of the game against soft defenses.

 

Some games call for that though and you have to be at least capable of it. Dak hasn't been able to do that with regularity. The defense layed an egg against the rams after keeping us in games all year. We needed a huge QB performance from a soon to be top 5 paid player overall in the league, and we didn't get it. 

 

I'm sure we all would agree that Daks best two games this year(of his career?) were week 17 and overtime against Philly. If Dak puts up his career game average 245 total yards and 1.77 total TDs in those two games we lose.

You know what Daks stats were those two games?

455 yards and 3 TDs 

387 yards and 4 TDs

 

 

300 yards passing is a benchmark for a reason. It's like a checklist. If you lose the game but pass for 382 yards then it probably wasn't your fault. You can put that on the defense. You did your part. If the RB hits 100 yards he did his part. If your QB hits 300 and your RB hits 100 and you still lose then you can safely exonerate the offense. 

 

If you lose and your QB has 206 yards 0 TDs and 1 pick, like Dak did against IND then he didn't do his job regardless of Marlon Mack. If you screw up at work it doesn't matter if someone in the other department screws up the same day. You still screwed up.

 

If he has 243 yards 2 TDs and 1 pick like he did against the Titans then he didn't do his job. If we barely lose to the Texans and your QB has 208 yards 1 TD and 2 picks then he didn't do his job. Or 170 yards against the panthers. Or 394 yards in two full games vs. Seattle. Or 160 yards week 2 against the Giants. Or 161 yards against TB. 

 

Those are normal Dak stats. Not all of those games were lost. 

 

 

Bottom line is I saw Dak put this team on his back and get the W twice this year. That's not much to pay for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, plan9misfit said:

The Pro Bowl is meaningless. There are numerous players at every position who get there and are totally undeserving. Quincy is one of those players. Getting in because multiple other players drop out and/or decline attending doesn’t prove that he earned his way in. Quincy is a below average QB, and stating the obvious that he isn’t deserving of the nod is being honest, not trolling.

For reference, please remember when Steve McNair (a Pro Bowl alternate himself) dropped out of the game so his close friend, rookie Vince Young, could go. Was VY deserving? Not remotely. But did he get in? Yep.

NO. the Pro Bowl game is meaningless, being selected by his peers/coaches etc..even as a backup is not. Perfect example of trying to diminish anything positive about Dak, while magnifying anything negative. PROPAGANDA at its best. 

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2 hours ago, resilient part 2 said:

NO. the Pro Bowl game is meaningless, being selected by his peers/coaches etc..even as a backup is not. Perfect example of trying to diminish anything positive about Dak, while magnifying anything negative. PROPAGANDA at its best. 

Being a third or fourth alternate is not an accomplishment. Seriously, who are you trying to fool? The only propaganda being spewed is by you for claiming that he deserves credit for something that he didn’t earn.

And in case you forgot, the “votes” were for the people originally selected. They went pretty far down the list to get him since Matt Ryan was probably higher up due to have much better numbers, yet isn’t going. Again, stop lying to yourself by thinking that Quincy deserves anything for going. No one in their right mind believes he earned his way there. No. One.

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Again, I can say a great many things about Dak, but they have already been stated.

I don't know if anyone said this but he did lead is to 2 division titles in his first 3 years.

Probably would have been 3 but we all know that story.

Seems to me a lot of people believe a stud QB like Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc would have broke thru by now.

News flash. Our "strength" defense against the run have up 2 one hundred yard rushers in our playoff loss.

We couldn't stop their offense.

And yet we were in the game because Dak took the team down and scored and got us 2 Point conversion to make it a 1 possesion game.

Twice our defense has a chance to get him the ball, and twice they FAILED.

Same as the GB loss at home 2 years ago.

If you are looking for Dak to throw missles up and down the field and lead our offense like the other QBs, you have a long wait.

But he does have a skill Set that is viable, successful and, with the right OC, could lead us to a title.

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11 hours ago, resilient part 2 said:

NO. the Pro Bowl game is meaningless, being selected by his peers/coaches etc..even as a backup is not. Perfect example of trying to diminish anything positive about Dak, while magnifying anything negative. PROPAGANDA at its best. 

Nah, it’s pretty much meaningless... especially as an alternate QB.  Trubisky and Dak we’re probably the 7th and 8th selections for the pro bowl.  Neither of them deserved to be there for their outstanding play... they were their because the deserving people didn’t bother to attend.  Why?  Because it’s become the lamest exhibition known to man.

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1 hour ago, The_Slamman said:

Nah, it’s pretty much meaningless... especially as an alternate QB.  Trubisky and Dak we’re probably the 7th and 8th selections for the pro bowl.  Neither of them deserved to be there for their outstanding play... they were their because the deserving people didn’t bother to attend.  Why?  Because it’s become the lamest exhibition known to man.

Exactly. Here’s my list of the QBs who either dropped out or likely dropped out ahead of Quincy’s nod to get in:

Drew Brees

Jared Goff

Aaron Rodgers

Carson Wentz

Nick Foles (totally undeserving, but you know he got votes)

Matt Ryan

Cam Newton (also totally undeserving, but assuredly got votes)

That’s a pretty long list of names, which would make Quincy fall somewhere in the range you specified. Getting in when that many people bow out is a totally meaningless “accomplishment”. As I said in an earlier post, it’s much like the 2005-06 season when Vince Young got in as a rookie as a 5th or 6th alternate. Steve McNair deliberately bowed out to get him in. Did VY deserve to be there? No. Was it some major accomplishment? No. McNair did it because they were friends and because VY had a huge incentive bonus built into his contract for making the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

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