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Dak, the QB of the future or not.

Dak, the QB of the future or NOT  

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  1. 1. Has Dak shown enough to make Dak our QB going forward, OR NOT!

    • definitely has shown enough promise to build around
    • NO he sucks and Dallas needs to find his replacement.


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17 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

Actually being destructive accomplishes alot if you do it to try something new. How ever being insane and doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.....well you should know how that goes.

I think you should try cutting off your pinky toe. That's pretty drastic, and it may just work! You won't know until you try it!

I am a proponent of a measured approach and making smart changes to improve the football team. That's not being fine with "as is". 

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5 hours ago, resilient part 2 said:

where did this come from???? I and others have been "screaming" with solutions forever. Obviously we are a forum and nothing will happen in real life. But this is a fight that you can't win on this one.

I see a lot of "Dak's not good. Jason's not good. Jerry's not good." Not a whole lot of practical ideas on how to improve besides getting rid of people. If that's all you have to say, you are just a whiner.

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52 minutes ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

I see a lot of "Dak's not good. Jason's not good. Jerry's not good." Not a whole lot of practical ideas on how to improve besides getting rid of people. If that's all you have to say, you are just a whiner.

Really Dak is definitely good and have argued that endlessly. Jason does suck and ministry proves it. JJ has both good values and bad values Kurt in a meantime this is a forum. Should we just say pretty little things to make everyone feel happy??

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28 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said:

Really Dak is definitely good and have argued that endlessly. Jason does suck and ministry proves it. JJ has both good values and bad values Kurt in a meantime this is a forum. Should we just say pretty little things to make everyone feel happy??

What would you say Jason excels at?

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1 hour ago, resilient part 2 said:

Really Dak is definitely good and have argued that endlessly. Jason does suck and ministry proves it. JJ has both good values and bad values Kurt in a meantime this is a forum. Should we just say pretty little things to make everyone feel happy??

If I had any good sense I’d quit coming back to this conversation.

I’m not saying every conversation should be sunshine and lollipops. But the doom and gloom is insane. This team won the NFC East and a playoff game with a starting lineup entirely under the age of 30. Our trajectory is undoubtedly upwards.

The correct approach for any rational decision-maker is to be measured, deliberate, and find way to improve. Change the stubborn OC, find a target for the red zone, add a seam busting tight end, make a splash in free agency at safety, bring in a QB helper like John Kitna, etc. Those are all strategies that are decidedly “not happy with the status quo” but also not irrational about where this team stands at the moment.

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Dak has greatly exceeded expectations and is, at least in the near term, our future at QB. He should get a new contract, whatever that may cost, and if he fails, we start over. But as of this moment, he is our best option. Does he miss throws, yes...Does he hold the ball too long sometimes, yes...Is he our best option, absolutely!

More than anything Dak needs a real QB  coach who can push him improve as a QB.

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3 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

I see a lot of "Dak's not good. Jason's not good. Jerry's not good." Not a whole lot of practical ideas on how to improve besides getting rid of people. If that's all you have to say, you are just a whiner.

While I want Garrett gone as head coach, I want him in the front office as an executive helping to bring in talent. He has an amazing eye for that. He just can’t coach them up because his system is too antiquated to maximize their abilities. 

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2 hours ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

What would you say Jason excels at?

Clapping, definitely clapping.

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3 hours ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

What would you say Jason excels at?

I know I have a lot of typos in my messages specially when speaking on the phone but I didn't say Jason Garrett excels at anything.

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4 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

I think you should try cutting off your pinky toe. That's pretty drastic, and it may just work! You won't know until you try it!

Lmao, oh cmon Head Coaches get replaced all the time. It is not as drastic as losing an appendage.

4 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

I am a proponent of a measured approach and making smart changes to improve the football team. That's not being fine with "as is". 

Firing Wade then going after Sean Payton would have been a smart move. Firing him this year then going to try out someone like DeFilippio would be a smart move even accounting for the risk factor that he might not succeed.

Sticking with Garrett hoping things will be better next year? That's like playing a slot machine that you keep dumping your time and money into and you keep hoping it's gonna be your lucky pull next time when the damn thing is rigged against you to begin with.

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17 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Lmao, oh cmon Head Coaches get replaced all the time.

Not after a division title and playoff victory with the youngest roster in football they don’t.

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1 hour ago, resilient part 2 said:

I know I have a lot of typos in my messages specially when speaking on the phone but I didn't say Jason Garrett excels at anything.

I am aware you didn't say it. I am asking. What do you think he excels at. 

If you are not some harbinger of whining, you must see some merit to him - frankly it is pretty obvious what - so I am curious if you can be impartial enough to realize it or not.

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1 hour ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

Not after a division title and playoff victory with the youngest roster in football they don’t.

Marty Schottenheimer?

Tony Dungy was fired after a early playoff exit like Garrett usually does and they won the SB the year after they did.

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17 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Marty Schottenheimer?

Tony Dungy was fired after a early playoff exit like Garrett usually does and they won the SB the year after they did.

Marty was gored because of interpersonal issues in the front office and Dungy was 9-7 and got crushed on the wild card round.

And even still, that’s not “all the time”. The overwhelming majority of coaches who have a season like Garrett’s 2018 return the following year.

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17 minutes ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

Marty was gored because of interpersonal issues in the front office and Dungy was 9-7 and got crushed on the wild card round.

You just keep splitting hairs. I am surprised you didn't add this to your last post to narrow the area which can be argued.

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Not after a division title and playoff victory with the youngest roster in football within the DFW area between the years of 2010 to 2018 for coaches that specifically clap alot they don’t.

Point is coaches are in fact fired all the time. Even if a playoff winning coach is not fired all the time that does not mean it doesn't happen. That doesn't mean it's a catastrophe if it happens nor does it have anything to do with the minuscule reasons for keeping them here.

Let me walk you through this. When you are building a team you pick a coach that can build a team. If they have success that exceeds expectations then they are coaches worth keeping. H/e the goal in sports is to continually improve until you obtain a championship and to stay there as long as possible. So if the goal for one season was to obtain a winning record and they achieve it. That's great! They met expectations, now the goal is to win a playoff game, when they do that it's great because they are improving. So now with multiple winning seasons, then that should come to be the expectation of the team is to have winning seasons. So now with a playoff win, the goal is to shoot for the conference championship and maybe the SB. If they do not meet those expectations, fine you go back and figure out what went wrong and fix it for the next season no real biggie.

(Enter our team) So you come back and your team has a catastrophe after cutting one of it's most important players, losing the most important to injury, and it leads us into picking Top 5 for the draft. (Rebuild and improve) We draft a real difference maker and pick more good players throughout the draft that have immediate impact on the team. Great lets try again. We make the playoffs with a great record but lose our first playoff game. Fine back to the drawing board, (EXPECTATIONS STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT). Start the season, start good but lose a stud for half the season and it was expected to happen. Our team finishes 8-8 again because no adjustments or planning had been made incase the worst should happen which it did. (Pressure building, EXPECTATIONS STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT) need to overhaul the offense (rebuild basically and improve) because it surrounds the entire passing attack. We cut a star receiver with no back up in mind, HOF TE retires and we start the season with no real No.1 or even No.2 at receiver. We start the season poorly (Pressure building more), make blockbuster trade to save the season and it pays off. We go on a winning streak with a rejuvenated offense (not as great as the ones in previous years but servicable), defense has become borderline elite. We finish the season as division winners, nothing new, it's nice but this should be expected. We win another playoff game, GREAT, we match up well against the next team, lets see how this goes. LOSE, defense sputters because of critically key injuried player. No backup that can fill in, on top of that the offense falls short like it did earlier in the year when asked to take it to the next level.

Now that was just from 2016 till now. Except this team had the talent back in 2010 to do it, but no we couldn't. So what's the offered solution? Rebuild and improve. Have some success, plummet back down to earth. What to do again? Rebuild and improve again. Same solution, same results.

You don't lower your expectations, people who don't expect to win anything or go very far do that. I'm sure even Jason Garrett hasn't lowered his expectation at anything short of a Super Bowl victory, but this team and it's problems simply have not found a way to win. Now no team is perfect, and everyone has weaknesses. But the great teams find a way to overcome and achieve. We may well have a team that's fully capable of Super Bowl wins. We probably could have done it this year. H/e the plan that has been presented has not been working by the guy who pitched it. So if he can't meet these new expectations, then he should be gone. We've had a bar set at deep playoff level for over 10 years now, 8 of those spent on someone who has not delivered those results. You don't lower your expectations just because of complications because those happen every day, and if we have a coach that has failed to meet them many times, then it's time to find a coach who can.

It really is that simple. Stop lowering your expectations with some "winning seasons".

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