ny92mike Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Overthecap has projections for tag values but they don't include the exclusive values. Which would you guys prefer to use. OTC Projections Position Franchise Tag Transition Tag QB $25,578,000 $23,356,000 DE $18,653,000 $15,735,000 WR $17,101,000 $14,738,000 CB $15,992,000 $13,891,000 LB $15,777,000 $13,627,000 DT $15,571,000 $12,287,000 OL $15,281,000 $13,716,000 S $12,037,000 $10,268,000 RB $11,980,000 $9,739,000 TE $10,930,000 $9,124,000 ST $5,162,000 $4,712,000 And I'll add in the top 5 salaries from the current year to get a projected Exclusive or just use the calculations pulled from last years player database. Position Exclusive Non-Exclusive Transition Cornerback $15,355,762 $15,293,893 $14,007,572 Defensive End $17,026,850 $17,400,000 $15,631,925 Defensive Tackle $14,520,000 $17,850,000 $13,762,500 Kicker $4,522,451 $4,869,118 $4,214,214 Linebacker $21,045,012 $17,264,200 $15,017,683 Offensive Lineman $16,340,000 $15,032,750 $14,091,767 Quarterback $29,305,000 $24,887,353 $23,548,676 Running Back $8,669,088 $7,238,755 $6,741,255 Safety $14,550,495 $12,202,000 $10,820,806 Tight End $11,393,213 $10,270,180 $9,149,465 Wide Receiver $19,524,800 $15,555,000 $14,217,050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch1911 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 @ny92mike I like your second set of numbers (those that include exclusive tag #'s) Also, I know you said no tag & trades (this go round). What was the issue (other than more work for you) last time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, jch1911 said: @ny92mike I like your second set of numbers (those that include exclusive tag #'s) Also, I know you said no tag & trades (this go round). What was the issue (other than more work for you) last time? Cool My issue with tag n trade is that it isn't that common irl because all parties would need to be in agreement, the team that tagged the player, the trading partner and most importantly the player. Tag n trade takes the ability of the player to decide where he'll sign as a free agent. For example, if Foles was tagged and let's say the Giants were to offer a trade it is still up to the player whether or not he signs the franchise tag and if he knows if he's headed to the Giants after he signs. Maybe he doesn't want to become the highest sacked player in the league, because we all know that this team was actually made worse in the offensive line department, which I thought was impossible. If the player isn't happy with the team the Eagles are looking to trade him to all he needs to do is refuse to sign the tag. Granted it kinda screws him over, but he still has the choice of signing the tag and if the team doesn't notify him of the pending trade, I'd consider that a violation of the good faith negotiations. Section 8. Good Faith Negotiation: (a) In addition to complying with specific provisions in this Agreement, any Club, any player, and any player agent or contract advisor engaged in negotiations for a Player Contract (including any Club extending, and any player receiving, a Required Tender) is under an obligation to negotiate in good faith. (b) A Club extending a Required Tender must, for so long as that Tender is extended, have a good faith intention to employ the player receiving the Tender at the Tender compensation level during the upcoming season. It shall be deemed to be a violation of this provision if, while the tender is outstanding, a Club insists that such a player agree to a Player Contract at a compensation level during the upcoming season below that of the Required Tender amount. The foregoing shall not affect any rights that a Club may have under the Player Contract or this Agreement, including but not limited to the right to terminate the contract, renegotiate the contract, or to trade the player if such termination, renegotiation, or trade is otherwise permitted by the Player Contract or this Agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winitall Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, ny92mike said: Overthecap has projections for tag values but they don't include the exclusive values. Which would you guys prefer to use. OTC Projections Position Franchise Tag Transition Tag QB $25,578,000 $23,356,000 DE $18,653,000 $15,735,000 WR $17,101,000 $14,738,000 CB $15,992,000 $13,891,000 LB $15,777,000 $13,627,000 DT $15,571,000 $12,287,000 OL $15,281,000 $13,716,000 S $12,037,000 $10,268,000 RB $11,980,000 $9,739,000 TE $10,930,000 $9,124,000 ST $5,162,000 $4,712,000 And I'll add in the top 5 salaries from the current year to get a projected Exclusive or just use the calculations pulled from last years player database. Position Exclusive Non-Exclusive Transition Cornerback $15,355,762 $15,293,893 $14,007,572 Defensive End $17,026,850 $17,400,000 $15,631,925 Defensive Tackle $14,520,000 $17,850,000 $13,762,500 Kicker $4,522,451 $4,869,118 $4,214,214 Linebacker $21,045,012 $17,264,200 $15,017,683 Offensive Lineman $16,340,000 $15,032,750 $14,091,767 Quarterback $29,305,000 $24,887,353 $23,548,676 Running Back $8,669,088 $7,238,755 $6,741,255 Safety $14,550,495 $12,202,000 $10,820,806 Tight End $11,393,213 $10,270,180 $9,149,465 Wide Receiver $19,524,800 $15,555,000 $14,217,050 I like the second set of numbers better. The only thing to be careful of is that some of the exclusive numbers are lower than the non-exclusive for the same position. For example, DT. Those should be flipped as the exclusive is more beneficial to the team and as such has a higher cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, winitall said: I like the second set of numbers better. The only thing to be careful of is that some of the exclusive numbers are lower than the non-exclusive for the same position. For example, DT. Those should be flipped as the exclusive is more beneficial to the team and as such has a higher cost. I noticed that too. I believe its because of the salary cap being higher, which I'll need to calculate in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowserBroncos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 @ny92mike just saw the draft board, i think I missed Denver 7th round pick we own from tge Texans Unless I've missed something, we didn't trade pick 241 to New England https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Broncos.htm https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Texans.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowserBroncos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Also we have two forfeited pick this year. The Giants 3rd round pick and the Redskins 6th round pick. The Giants is because of the selection of Sam Beal in the supplemental draft in 2018. I don't know the reason from the Redskins forfeited pick, but I guess is about a selection on the supplemental draft too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BowserBroncos said: Also we have two forfeited pick this year. The Giants 3rd round pick and the Redskins 6th round pick. The Giants is because of the selection of Sam Beal in the supplemental draft in 2018. I don't know the reason from the Redskins forfeited pick, but I guess is about a selection on the supplemental draft too. Thanks...Not sure where BDP pulled his list from but the Giants did lose the 3rd rounder. I'll wait until he gets back on to figure out where he pulled his list. Might need a new source. I did find this source that looks to match what you're saying. http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftorder2019.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostnote Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BowserBroncos said: Also we have two forfeited pick this year. The Giants 3rd round pick and the Redskins 6th round pick. The Giants is because of the selection of Sam Beal in the supplemental draft in 2018. I don't know the reason from the Redskins forfeited pick, but I guess is about a selection on the supplemental draft too. I think it was the selection from the supplemental draft of Adonis Alexander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowserBroncos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, ny92mike said: Thanks...Not sure where BDP pulled his list from but the Giants did lose the 3rd rounder. I'll wait until he gets back on to figure out where he pulled his list. Might need a new source. I did find this source that looks to match what you're saying. http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftorder2019.php I guess the 7th round order is blur because of the trades Denver made, Walter Football has Minnesota giving a 7th round pick to NY because of the Riley Dixon trade, but that never happens. NY gave Denver a 7th conditional pick for Dixon. http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft Tankerthon also has a wrong order, they give Denver 3 7th rounds but that's not true also. The Demaryius Thomas trade with the Texans sended to Denver a 4th and 7th round pick in exchange for DT and a 7th rounder. Denver also had traded a 7th conditional round pick to Philadelphia for Allen Babre, but I guess that conditions never met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, BowserBroncos said: I guess the 7th round order is blur because of the trades Denver made, Walter Football has Minnesota giving a 7th round pick to NY because of the Riley Dixon trade, but that never happens. NY gave Denver a 7th conditional pick for Dixon. http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft Tankerthon also has a wrong order, they give Denver 3 7th rounds but that's not true also. The Demaryius Thomas trade with the Texans sended to Denver a 4th and 7th round pick in exchange for DT and a 7th rounder. Denver also had traded a 7th conditional round pick to Philadelphia for Allen Babre, but I guess that conditions never met. This always happens every year. The later round picks are always an issue because of the conditional clauses. We usually just pick a source and go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowserBroncos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, ny92mike said: This always happens every year. The later round picks are always an issue because of the conditional clauses. We usually just pick a source and go with it. I think I found were he pulled that order, it was wikipedia, but there is also mixed....Houston didn't trade with NE, it was Philadelphia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_NFL_Draft Round seven ^ Arizona → Tampa Bay (PD). See Tampa Bay → Arizona (PD).[Trade 22] ^ San Francisco → Kansas City (PD). San Francisco traded a conditional seventh-round selection to Kansas City in exchange for wide receiver Rod Streater and a conditional seventh-round selection.[Trade 27] ^ Tampa Bay → Pittsburgh (PD). Tampa Bay traded their seventh-round selection and free safety J. J. Wilcox to Pittsburgh in exchange for their sixth-round selection in 2018 (202nd).[Trade 28] ^ Denver → Houston (PD). Houston traded their fourth-round selection to Denver in exchange for wide receiver Demaryius Thomas. The two teams will also swap seventh-round selections ^ Carolina → Buffalo (PD). Carolina traded a seventh-round selection and WR Kaelin Clay to Buffalo in exchange for CB Kevon Seymour.[Trade 29] ^ Minnesota → NY Giants (PD). Minnesota traded their seventh-round selection to the Giants in exchange for center Brett Jones.[Trade 30] ^ No. ?: multiple trades: Pittsburgh → Cleveland (PD). Pittsburgh traded their seventh-round selection and wide receiver Sammie Coates to Cleveland in exchange for their sixth-round selection in 2018 (202nd).[Trade 31] Cleveland → Miami (PD). Cleveland traded their seventh-round selection as well as their fourth-round selection previously acquired from the Carolina Panthers in 2018 (123rd) to Miami in exchange for wide receiver Jarvis Landry.[Trade 32] Miami → Detroit (PD). Miami traded a conditional seventh-round selection to Detroit in exchange for defensive tackle Akeem Spence.[Trade 33] ^ Baltimore → Jacksonville (PD). Baltimore traded their seventh-round selection to Jacksonville in exchange for center Luke Bowanko.[Trade 34] ^ No. ?: multiple trades: Houston → Denver (PD). See Houston → Denver (PD), Round 4.[Trade 12] Denver → Philadelphia (PD). Denver traded their seventh-round selection to Philadelphia in exchange for guard Allen Barbre.[Trade 35] Philadelphia → New England (PD). Philadelphia traded their seventh-round selection as well as a seventh-round selection in 2018 (250th) to New England in exchange for New England's seventh-round selection in 2018 (233rd).[Trade 3] ^ Kansas City → San Francisco (PD). See San Francisco → Kansas City (PD).[Trade 27] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Small detail off in the draft thread in terms of the Vikings. Our 6th round pick is being listed as acquired from Tennessee. The pick is our own Tennessee’s 6th round pick belongs to the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 As far as the Free Agents go, i can't seem to find Barry Church. Assuming he got lost in the shuffle after being cut by the Jags late season but not signed by anyone else? Not sure anyone will even want to sign him, but haven't seen him officially retire yet at least. Maybe i missed that. Also, is Tyrod Taylor not a Free Agent? Noticed some duplicates at WR like Tavon Austin and Ryan Grant in the workbook for some reason too. On a draft order note, i should probably shut my piehole and take the free pick, but i believe one of the Jaguars 7th rounders is actually headed to CLE from the Cody Kessler trade. Presumably the later one via BAL from the earlier Bowanko trade, but i haven't really seen anything concrete either way, or even if the pick is for sure headed to them this year based on the conditionals. The other testing workbook seemed to run fine for me. Didn't seem bogged down or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostnote Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, ny92mike said: This always happens every year. The later round picks are always an issue because of the conditional clauses. We usually just pick a source and go with it. Does the NFL actually have the draft order up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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