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OT: NFL & NFLPA CBA negotiations ongoing, hope for 17 game season & short preseason?


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16 hours ago, malagabears said:

Owners propose 18 game schedule with players being capped at playing 16, 2 games off. Yeah right!!

 

That's stupid. 

You can play 18 but space every game two weeks while NFL is still playing every week.  Just half teams play every week.  No bye weeks. 

That extra recovery week would work miracles for minor injuries and extra practice time would make for better product.  

Season would be much longer and way more money can be made. 

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1 hour ago, dll2000 said:

That's stupid. 

You can play 18 but space every game two weeks while NFL is still playing every week.  Just half teams play every week.  No bye weeks. 

That extra recovery week would work miracles for minor injuries and extra practice time would make for better product.  

Season would be much longer and way more money can be made. 

The NFL wants the season to be from labor day to presidents day, that's the ultimate goal.  

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19 hours ago, malagabears said:

Owners propose 18 game schedule with players being capped at playing 16, 2 games off. Yeah right!!

 

 

So you're in week 18 and your team is fighting for a playoff spot.  It's a must win game for them.  But there's a problem.  You're QB and your All Pro pass rusher have already played 16 games and must sit out.  So your #2 Mike Glennon has to start along with a rookie OLB or DE who as just 1 1/2 sacks this season.

Yup, fans are gonna love that idea Roger.  If you can ever get this passed I'd hire more body guards if I were you.

This has to be their dumbest idea yet.

If it has to be 18 games then divide the season into two 9 game halves with bye weeks in each half and a week between halves, no overseas games except for preseason, and if a team plays on Sunday they don't also play that coming Thursday.

Another concept would be to eliminate inactive players and dress all 53 for games.  Three of them are ST specialists anyway, P, PK, LS so you end up with 50 position players who can rotate instead of the current 42.  This should help keep starters off of coverage and return teams and also provide more depth so an injured player can sit out a series or two and receive treatment and some rest.

I've never been able to make sense of having only 45 players active on game day when three are ST specialists and in some cases another may be a #3 QB.  Allow all 53 to suit up and be eligible to play.  That could allow team to be even more inventive with their schemes and playcalling via having one or more additional offensive or defensive specialists to scheme with.

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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/adrian-peterson-lawsuit

Warning I havent studied labor law for like 20 years, and this is off cuff.  Some of this may be incorrect. 

This is why NFLPA finds it difficult to win a good CBA.  

League is filled with guys who handle money just like AP and who make a lot less.

If they strike the NFL wins, if they lock out NFL wins.  All they have to do is wait.  The traditional tools of Unions don't work in this case. 

Only thing that could ever save them is legit competition from another league which is almost impossible given investment and stadium location need.  NFL is already in every major market with a sweetheart deal in most.  

They should build war chests for publicists and lobbyists not union negotiating lawyers.  They could also simply disband the union. 

If NFL ever loses anti trust - things like draft and franchise tags become illegal.  Everyone is FA until they sign a contract and then FA again when it ends.  Only thing that keeps anti trust is a Union and CBA.   However, this could also force an NFL break up and revenues for everyone would plummet with two seperate leagues.  

Those are best weapons and why it isn't totally lopsided in favor of owners. 

 

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3 hours ago, dll2000 said:

League is filled with guys who handle money just like AP and who make a lot less.

As a financial professional for over 30 years whose advised on and managed tens of millions of dollars client funds I'd love to comment more on why many pro athletes hire poor advisors and receive poor advice but it would almost become a book all by itself.  Let's just leave it at ego and having a very poor fundamental understanding of money and basic economics plays a major role in this.  So I'll move on.

If both sides are smart, or at least have become smarter as a result of previous battles, they'll realize they have a good thing going and that some tweaks to the current CBA could benefit both sides.  Even a small bump in the revenue sharing arrangement is now a very large bump dollar wise so let's not get too greedy there but do push harder on other issues like player safety and retirement benefits.

The NFL should be held to more effective efforts to assure player safety and an 18 game schedule without more in season breaks and increased roster size is pure greed by the owners.  No one is gonna agree to a deal where players can only be active for 16 of those games.  That's ridiculous but expanded rosters can help to accomplish somewhat the same thing by reducing snaps for starters.

The retirement deal should also get attention since how poorly those plans for former players were funded should be an embarrassment for the league and apparently it is at least to a small degree.  They've responded but not nearly enough because what would have cost little many years ago costs a lot now.  So don't make that same mistake again.  Fund current retirement plans properly.

The players cannot win and extended battle period.....so don't even try.

The Bears are estimated to be worth $2.9 bil and the team will receive significant annual cash flow without even one game being played.

Collectively the owners could forego an entire season and simply restock their rosters and begin playing games again the following year.

We've been down this path before and we know how it ends.  The current players have no means by which to begin a competitive league of their own so eventually some will capitulate, then others, and finally the owners win again.  So my best advice to them would be don't start a war you have no chance of winning.  You don't have anywhere near the ammunition ($$$) needed to do it.

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12 minutes ago, soulman said:

As a financial professional for over 30 years whose advised on and managed tens of millions of dollars client funds I'd love to comment more on why many pro athletes hire poor advisors and receive poor advice but it would almost become a book all by itself.  Let's just leave it at ego and having a very poor fundamental understanding of money and basic economics plays a major role in this.  So I'll move on.

 

They are stupid and/or lazy and/or uneducated on the issue to be blunt. 

They get conned again and again on finances, which is ironic because given their 'street' background they should be less susceptible to cons.  But in this case its exact opposite.

CFP's are heavily regulated and it is easy to research decent ones that have been in business for a long time and have a track record.  They buy products that get returns and send you statements.  Easy peasy.  

Why, why, why, why, why would you go with a street agent or a family member to handle your money?  I can't even think of anything stupider to do.  Yet they do it again and again and again.  NFL and Union even has programs telling them what to do and giving sound advice during rookie year.  

Lets start a night club or a restaurant or a record company with a family member or let agent do it.  That will work out well for you.

Lets buy millions in designer jewelry in shape of my name and sports cars.  That doesn't depreciate at all.  Let's have babies with 8 different women.

Just really bad decision after really bad decision.

 

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22 hours ago, dll2000 said:

Just really bad decision after really bad decision.

That's pretty much at the root of it.  That and an ego on the part of some who seem to enjoy having an entourage and are willing to pay for it.  It's the ego part that tells them to invest in businesses they know nothing about hiring the absolute wrong people to run them.

That's always been my first rule of investing.  Never invest in businesses or securities you don't understand and even then at times you learn the hard way because some people are out and out con men and thieves and yet some keep getting away with it over and over again.

But I'm not here to give sermons on financial matters and when it comes to some people, pro athletes being one and some musicians being yet another, they won't listen anyway and it's why the sign bad deals with bad people then have stories written about them.

I prefer less notoriety than that.  ;)

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1 hour ago, soulman said:

But I'm not here to give sermons and financial matters and when it comes to some people, pro athletes being one and some musicians being yet another, they won't listen anyway and it's why the sign bad deals with bad people then have stories written about them.

I prefer less notoriety than that.  ;)

If you did happen to, I'd be content to listen... Just throwing that out there. 

I'm none of the listed people, I build things with wood. Lol. 

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5 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

If you did happen to, I'd be content to listen... Just throwing that out there. 

I'm none of the listed people, I build things with wood. Lol. 

Then I applaud your common sense.  LOL

As for the basics, they are not all that complex but like politics the disputes on personal interpretations could go on forever and I'm now old enough and wise enough to know better than to debate with those who cannot be convinced by facts and history.

Irrational beliefs are always inherently irrational and by that definition alone cannot be altered by logic, facts, or evidence.

That was the OS of my ex.  "Don't confuse me with facts my mind's made up".  Life's too short to play that game.  :)

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The issue is all of this money is given to people that are barely legal adults.  Most come from very poor backgrounds, and have not a clue how to manage that level of wealth.  Last year on hard knocks they showed a rookie DL who had to educate even the vets on the team about compound interest.  More often than not these guys hire family members in an effort to "give back" to those they feel helped them get where they are, its admirable, but it's not smart business.  The NFL educates these guys about getting business managers, how to find reputable ones, knowing what they are doing with their money at all times.  Bit explaining this to 20, 21, 22 yos is a fruitless cause.  They arent paying attention.  It all just goes in one ear and out the other bc in their mind, the money is never going to dry up.

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1 hour ago, Superman(DH23) said:

The issue is all of this money is given to people that are barely legal adults.  Most come from very poor backgrounds, and have not a clue how to manage that level of wealth.  Last year on hard knocks they showed a rookie DL who had to educate even the vets on the team about compound interest.  More often than not these guys hire family members in an effort to "give back" to those they feel helped them get where they are, its admirable, but it's not smart business.  The NFL educates these guys about getting business managers, how to find reputable ones, knowing what they are doing with their money at all times.  Bit explaining this to 20, 21, 22 yos is a fruitless cause.  They arent paying attention.  It all just goes in one ear and out the other bc in their mind, the money is never going to dry up.

That was Carl Nassib who had been in the league for three years already. But it was still pretty funny listening to that and the other players not really paying attention. 

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20 hours ago, Sugashane said:

If you did happen to, I'd be content to listen... Just throwing that out there. 

I'm none of the listed people, I build things with wood. Lol. 

Man I really want to learn how to build things with wood.  Pretty sure I would eventually cut my fingers off though.  I had 3 different teachers growing up that had lost several fingers somehow LOL.  I never asked how.   Two shop type teachers and a physics teacher.

Do you have your fingers? 

I'm still going to do it when I actually have time and some more money to spend. 

I have a little Dremel tool that I use to cut things when I need to.  This summer I started making PVC bows and homemade arrows for kids and their friends.  Great fun and materials are cheap.

I make arrows out of dowels, duct tape (fletching) and nerf bullets.   The nerf bullets over tip of dowel explode on impact with anything because they are too aerodynamic for toy use.  The bows are much more powerful than a toy bow and with nerf tip they are too aerodynamic like a real arrow.   Meaning they fly too far and too hard and are dangerous nearby people and houses.  I shot the first one to test it and nearly broke a window across the street.   Oops.  

So I wrap nerf tips with a bunch of duct tape to slow them down, preserve the nerf tip and make sure they can't break anything or hurt anyone beyond a small bruise.  Rule is you can't shoot them at people or in direction of any windows.  

I'd  really like to make some wooden rounded shields.  Spartan or Captain America style.  But I don't have equipment for it.  

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

Man I really want to learn how to build things with wood.  Pretty sure I would eventually cut my fingers off though.  I had 3 different teachers growing up that had lost several fingers somehow LOL.  I never asked how.   Two shop type teachers and a physics teacher.

Do you have your fingers? 

I'm still going to do it when I actually have time and some more money to spend. 

I have a little Dremel tool that I use to cut things when I need to.  This summer I started making PVC bows and homemade arrows for kids and their friends.  Great fun and materials are cheap.

I make arrows out of dowels, duct tape (fletching) and nerf bullets.   The nerf bullets over tip of dowel explode on impact with anything because they are too aerodynamic for toy use.  The bows are much more powerful than a toy bow and with nerf tip they are too aerodynamic like a real arrow.   Meaning they fly too far and too hard and are dangerous nearby people and houses.  I shot the first one to test it and nearly broke a window across the street.   Oops.  

So I wrap nerf tips with a bunch of duct tape to slow them down, preserve the nerf tip and make sure they can't break anything or hurt anyone beyond a small bruise.  Rule is you can't shoot them at people or in direction of any windows.  

I'd  really like to make some wooden rounded shields.  Spartan or Captain America style.  But I don't have equipment for it.  

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure if you ever get a router you'll just disappear from this forum for a few months!  (great way to make round shapes btw, although for a Shield you can just lay up some carbon fiber or fiberglass on an old DishTV antenna as a mold)

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2 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said:

The issue is all of this money is given to people that are barely legal adults.  Most come from very poor backgrounds, and have not a clue how to manage that level of wealth.  Last year on hard knocks they showed a rookie DL who had to educate even the vets on the team about compound interest.  More often than not these guys hire family members in an effort to "give back" to those they feel helped them get where they are, its admirable, but it's not smart business.  The NFL educates these guys about getting business managers, how to find reputable ones, knowing what they are doing with their money at all times.  Bit explaining this to 20, 21, 22 yos is a fruitless cause.  They arent paying attention.  It all just goes in one ear and out the other bc in their mind, the money is never going to dry up.

Many 21 year olds do just fine.  I have a friend who was drafted in 4th round and cut.  He got like 450k.   He is now a millionaire thanks to that start because he is wicked smart with money.    

Those that come from a particular culture, with particular values and ideas are the ones who struggle.

Some of things that hurt them are admirable like @soulman said.  Trying to help family and friends.  They just don't get that there are better long term ways to do so.  They spend like NFL pay checks will always there and they listen to wrong people.  

 

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