Buddyboy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 There are administrative factors that could benefit NE. The movement of free agents, such as 2003, that played a key role in the SB run. Possible referee calls that benefited the Pats. League scheduling that makes their ascent easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine_Joe Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 1:34 PM, Roninho said: A dynasty like the Pats is something else. But imo we were quite close to 2 other dynasties since the Pats started theirs. The Steelers by beating the packers in 11 (06-09-11). And i would have given the Seahawks a good shot at a three-peat if they had gone for a run by Lynch over Wilsons int. Imo that decision killed the team. too spread out. that's a great team like the skins in 80's but not a dynasty. dynasty teams are generational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, William Lee said: 2008 season proved that without Brady, Pats were just another AFCE team, even with Moss. BTW, Jets, Bills and Phins won 19 out of 30 against non AFCE teams.The worst AFCE team in that year won 7 games. No, it didn't. They came close to winning 13 games that year. They lost to the Jets in OT, and to the Colts because Gaffney dropped a TD in the end zone. They went undefeated the year before, in part, because the AFC East was much weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Lee Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: No, it didn't. They came close to winning 13 games that year. They lost to the Jets in OT, and to the Colts because Gaffney dropped a TD in the end zone. They went undefeated the year before, in part, because the AFC East was much weaker. What? Are you sure that Pats didn't have similar LUCKY times? Gaffney dropped a TD in the end zone? what? are you saying Peyton was very lucky winning the first SB in 2006 season? and how many QB had great 1st season but fell off cliff later, huh? Did any team have any video how Matt Cassel would play like when he took over? Did any team prepare to face Matt Cassel before 2008 season? Stop pulling your underwear up to your nose, OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine_Joe Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 that 2008 pats team would've been a great team with Brady. i believe manning won the mvp with 27/12int. IMO that was supposed to be brady's back to back mvp year. no knock on cassel. he did fairly well considering circumstances. but we all saw how limited he can be. he played well enough, but pats weren't going anywhere even if they made the playoffs. it's alot like 1994 bulls. they won 55 games without Jordan. but without jordan they can't win anything. that's the type of impact brady has on a team. with brady pats are always a SB threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fongool Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 10 hours ago, William Lee said: Ya, opponent D has to leave some spaces open for Brady to throw to because Belichick is standing there, right? and other OCs, even an army of OC, can't design plays that taking advantage of those weak spots because Belichick is not in the room, right? and Belichick is so good that he doesn't even have to talk to offense during the game most of the time, right? With him standing there, Pats WR suddently become much smarter, and defenders on the other side become stupid, right? What kind of alien system is this? Alex Ferguson, manager of Manchester United Football Club for 26 years. 13 Titles. Since his departure no titles. Its the Belichick system. Just saying. A 53 man roster. If you develop the best system then draft picks become irrelevant. As demonstrated by the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Lee Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Fongool said: Alex Ferguson, manager of Manchester United Football Club for 26 years. 13 Titles. Since his departure no titles. Its the Belichick system. Just saying. A 53 man roster. If you develop the best system then draft picks become irrelevant. As demonstrated by the Pats. So in your opinion, Belichick must be the biggest moron in NFL who in 2007 abandoned the winning system created by him at the night of sept, 23rd, 2001, which led to 7 years of misery in playoff. (Please remember Pat's won SB ONLY when Brady played like he did between 2001 and 2006) Is this what you mean? I don't think it is what you mean, you just speak what you want to believe while having no clue at all what your comments will LOGICALLY lead to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 15 hours ago, William Lee said: Did any team prepare to face Matt Cassel before 2008 season? Stop pulling your underwear up to your nose, OK? Did any team prepare to face Tom Brady before the 2001 season? 12 hours ago, Wolverine_Joe said: it's alot like 1994 bulls. they won 55 games without Jordan. but without jordan they can't win anything. that's the type of impact brady has on a team. with brady pats are always a SB threat. That's because of a bad call in the Knicks series (Game 5). If the Bulls win that game, they beat NY in six, probably beat Indiana, and take on Houston in the Finals (if they lost, it's because they always had trouble with the Rockets even with MJ). The next year, they got MJ back, but they didn't have the crack defender and rebounder from the PF spot (Grant, Rodman). That's why they didn't go that far. Jordan never won without that type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Lee Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: Did any team prepare to face Tom Brady before the 2001 season? No, but Brady didn't fall off in next 5 years, with or without defense. You won't be able to name another QB who could have scored 380 pts with what Brady had between 2001 and 2006, let alone leading winning drives or scoring 24 or more in playoffs. So, it is true that defense contributed a lot for the SB wins between 2001 and 2006, but Brady was the irreplaceable piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Since the beginning of the century (2001 season), the QBs representing the AFC in the Super Bowl other than Brady, Ben, and Peyton have been Rich Gannon (2002) and Joe Flacco (2012). That's next-level incompetence for a conference. You take away Peyton after the 2015 season, the road gets even easier for the Pats. Also, do this. Since 2001, consider all of the divisions and remove the most successful team from that division over that time period. It'll look something like this: AFC East Bills, Jets, Phins AFC North Ravens, Bengals, Browns AFC South Texans, Titans, Jags AFC West Raiders, Broncos, Chiefs (this one was tough) NFC East Giants, Cowboys, Skins (also tough) NFC North Vikes, Bears, Lions NFC South Falcons, Bucs, Panthers NFC West Rams, Cards, Niners The worst division on that list is far and away the AFC East, right? Well, maybe not "far and away" because the AFC South is in the vicinity, but it's still clearly the AFC East. So, you have decades of incompetence from the division, from the conference, and not to mention basically every questionable call is in favor of the Patriots. That's not to say Brady/Belichick aren't the GOAT's. But damn, that's a lot of fortunate things going their way. It's as close to the perfect storm as you're going to get. That's why this type of dynasty will never happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Art_Vandalay said: Since the beginning of the century (2001 season), the QBs representing the AFC in the Super Bowl other than Brady, Ben, and Peyton have been Rich Gannon (2002) and Joe Flacco (2012). That's next-level incompetence for a conference. You take away Peyton after the 2015 season, the road gets even easier for the Pats. Also, do this. Since 2001, consider all of the divisions and remove the most successful team from that division over that time period. It'll look something like this: AFC East Bills, Jets, Phins AFC North Ravens, Bengals, Browns AFC South Texans, Titans, Jags AFC West Raiders, Broncos, Chiefs (this one was tough) NFC East Giants, Cowboys, Skins (also tough) NFC North Vikes, Bears, Lions NFC South Falcons, Bucs, Panthers NFC West Rams, Cards, Niners The worst division on that list is far and away the AFC East, right? Well, maybe not "far and away" because the AFC South is in the vicinity, but it's still clearly the AFC East. So, you have decades of incompetence from the division, from the conference, and not to mention basically every questionable call is in favor of the Patriots. That's not to say Brady/Belichick aren't the GOAT's. But damn, that's a lot of fortunate things going their way. It's as close to the perfect storm as you're going to get. That's why this type of dynasty will never happen again. Wrong. There’s no metric where the AFC East is routinely the worst in the NFL in that time frame. The only difference is the Patriots consistently being at the top. Like every division it has one team that is ahead of the pack two teams around .500. And a bottom feeder. That’s the vast majority of years. Sometimes you get an outlier sometimes you don’t. People take for granted that the Pats are in that conference. If the Pats were added to your teams division, the NFC East. 2005 and 2009 are the only years they wouldn’t have finished with the best record or tied for it. And if you swapped out the top team for the Pats, like you should, they win it every year they won the AFC East since 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, lancerman said: If the Pats were added to your teams division, the NFC East. 2005 and 2009 are the only years they wouldn’t have finished with the best record or tied for it. And if you swapped out the top team for the Pats, like you should, they win it every year they won the AFC East since 2001. The Jets and Dolphins have combined for 0 playoff wins during this time span. They couldn't secure a playoff spot and win a wildcard game (where they wouldn't have to play the Pats) in two decades. The Jets were somehow able to do it via magic with Mark Sanchez. So, you're saying two decades vs Mark Sanchez, Chad Pennington, 40 yr old Favre, JP Losman, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Tannehill, etc... isn't much different than going against McNabb, Romo, and Eli? The Pats would win the division most of the time but their division record isn't going to be 6-0 / 5-1 every single year, and they're not getting a first round bye every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, lancerman said: And if you swapped out the top team for the Pats, like you should, they win it every year they won the AFC East since 2001. I don't think so. For example, if Baltimore was in their division instead of the Dolphins (I think that was a consideration in 2002 when they re-aligned), I can see them winning the East in 2006. Then, I think they win it twice between 2008 and 12, and they would had had a good chance to win it this past year and maybe in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 The Rams baby.. We just got our losing out the way early.. Rams with Donald, Gurley and Goff are the best core in the NFL get at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBreezy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, El ramster said: The Rams baby.. We just got our losing out the way early.. Rams with Donald, Gurley and Goff are the best core in the NFL get at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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