Packers @ Broncos: Week 3 GDT

[champ11]

Watching the replay on NFL Network today. What's up with this Shelby Harris cat? Read that he killed it 

[iLikeDefense]

29 minutes ago, champ11 said:

Watching the replay on NFL Network today. What's up with this Shelby Harris cat? Read that he killed it 

He looks to be active and is always in the right spot. He looked stout against the run.

[BroncoBruin]

10 hours ago, Broncofan said:

Ugh @ D-Henderson fumbles.  That and pass pro issues kill rookie chances.   Before this week almost no shot he would clear waivers without clear risk.  Now Elway will likely take the shot.

If by "shot" you're referring to Henderson going on waivers, there's 0% chance that happens, no discussion needed. Ridley is the RB who lost his job. Putting Henderson on waivers would be absurd, totally reactionary.

[thebestever6]

5 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

If by "shot" you're referring to Henderson going on waivers, there's 0% chance that happens, no discussion needed. Ridley is the RB who lost his job. Putting Henderson on waivers would be absurd, totally reactionary.

completley agree. Everyone has growing pains you don't put a back that talented on waivers.

[BroncoBruin]

19 minutes ago, thebestever6 said:

completley agree. Everyone has growing pains you don't put a back that talented on waivers.

Yeah, waiving a talented rookie in favor of some dime-a-dozen veteran like Ridley would be one of the all-time short sighted moves for a team. Can't believe that thought would even occur to anyone.

[BroncoBruin]

Couple things really impressed me:
 

Shelby Harris was amazing. The most disruptive preseason game I can remember for a defensive lineman.

That Leary/Watson right side is a force in the run game. I understand why they want to keep Leary at this point, they have a good thing going with those two. So much power.

[champ11]

12 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

Couple things really impressed me:
 

Shelby Harris was amazing. The most disruptive preseason game I can remember for a defensive lineman.

That Leary/Watson right side is a force in the run game. I understand why they want to keep Leary at this point, they have a good thing going with those two. So much power.

Good point.

 

Max Garcia killed a drive. Dude is trash. Which we all know 

[Broncofan]

1 hour ago, BroncoBruin said:

If by "shot" you're referring to Henderson going on waivers, there's 0% chance that happens, no discussion needed. Ridley is the RB who lost his job. Putting Henderson on waivers would be absurd, totally reactionary.

 

1 hour ago, thebestever6 said:

completley agree. Everyone has growing pains you don't put a back that talented on waivers.

 

54 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

Yeah, waiving a talented rookie in favor of some dime-a-dozen veteran like Ridley would be one of the all-time short sighted moves for a team. Can't believe that thought would even occur to anyone.

Of course Elway isn't going to waive D-Henderson to actually release him - clearing waivers is required to put someone on the practice squad.   Where did ANYONE say Ridley was staying and D-Henderson was being released? 

If Elway was thinking of putting any player on the practice squad, they all have to clear waivers.   That's the risk of the PS.  But there's no intent to just release him - hence the "clear waivers" comment.   Elway's not waiving Henderson outright to let him go, but the PS is a very real possibility with Booker coming back week 2.   Frankly it was the most likely outcome when we drafted him as a Rd6 rookie.   If we keep JC, I don't think we're going to see 5 RB's on the 53-man squad (remember, we're for sure keeping Janovich on the 53-man roster).  We've always talked about the fact that JC can't be a 3rd RB, he has to stick as a 2nd RB, as the 3rd RB plays ST - that leaves the 3rd RB to Booker/Henderson, and it's not going to be Booker that's going to the PS (he wouldn't clear waivers for sure, whether or not he struggled 2H last year, his label alone will prevent that, along with his versatility).

Before the preseason, the most likely projection was the practice squad for D-Henderson as a 6th rounder - for which all players MUST clear waivers before being able to sent to the PS.   If we keep JC and only go 4 RB's on the 53-man roster, with JC, it pretty much puts D-Henderson on the PS - hence the waivers comment.   D-Henderson needed an awesome camp to merit being kept on the 53-man roster, and until last night, I'd say he had it.  But JC's performance (and VJ's confirmation JC is sticking) and D-Henderson's struggles last night clearly make the PS a possibility now, and if so, it means putting him through waivers and hoping he clears so we can stash him there.    If he could be stashed there, the long-term benefit would be that he'd still be under our control for 4 more seasons cheaply, and accrue no service time (as long as he stayed there for at least 11 weeks, a late callup would actually be OK service-time wise).   

Personally, I'd just cut bait with JC, wish him well, and stick with CJ, Booker, D-Henderson and Janovich (we need more depth elsewhere) and go 4-RB's (and have Ridley on speed dial - and in fact, stay until Booker returns).   If we are sticking with JC, if Elway goes 5 RB's, D-Henderson doesn't have to clear waivers to get to the PS.   But if we are going with 4 RB's and keeping JC, the PS is the only place for D-Henderson (yes, he can replace Booker until Booker returns, but even then, D-Henderson would still need to get waived, clear waivers at that time, and only then could he go to the PS).   Frankly, given the hundreds (and maybe even up to over 1000) players getting cut after Week 4 preseason, sneaking D-Henderson onto the PS is probably more likely at that time than later on, if Elway is thinking that route.  Again, I'd myself rather keep D-Henderson on the active squad and let JC walk and only leave behind the 100k bonus he signed for and save the rest of the $, but given VJ said JC is on the squad....well, it comes down to a numbers game (4 or 5 RB's on 53-man roster) for where D-Henderson ends up, either now, or when Booker returns. 

[Broncofan]

19 minutes ago, champ11 said:

Good point.

 

Max Garcia killed a drive. Dude is trash. Which we all know 

I have to admit I'm baffled as to why he is still getting 1st team work.   Put Barbre in there and sink/swim with him.  McGovern later on once Paradis shows he's OK.  But you know you are sinking with Garcia, enough is enough.

[BroncoBruin]

Ridiculous to think Henderson sniffs anything but the 53 man roster all year. He has flashed special plays, the league notices that. When Booker is back, they'll carry 4 plus Janovich and one won't be active on game days. It's not even a numbers issue. Sorry, but it's flat out crazy to even consider that possibility.

[Scoundrel]

Sloter da King

[champ11]

19 minutes ago, Counselor said:

Sloter da King

dude threw 7 passes 

[Broncofan]

49 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

Ridiculous to think Henderson sniffs anything but the 53 man roster all year. He has flashed special plays, the league notices that. When Booker is back, they'll carry 4 plus Janovich and one won't be active on game days. It's not even a numbers issue. Sorry, but it's flat out crazy to even consider that possibility.

It's absolutely a numbers issue - we have gone 4 RB only before, in fact we did it to start 2016.   If we do that D-Henderson is the guy looking in the outside as CJ/JC/Booker/Janovich are locks).   Remember that Booker won't be put on PUP to start season that's an automatic 7 games missed to do that he's only out for 1 week by last count.  

And before you say well that was last year - the only way we go up to 5-RB and preserve our 25/25 ratio is by carrying 2-qb or 2-TE or 5-WR, OL is not getting trimmed.  5-wr & 2-TE haven't ever been done and our depth says no way that makes sense.  2-QB was the easy solution but now the Lynch injury raises the real question if we need a 3rd QB on the 53-man squad - like we did last year. 

The 4-RB option as an option isn't simply my opinion it's actual fact - we've gone that way before, as recently as last year.     Maybe we go 5-RB and the problem isn't there - but there are zero absolutes.  It's one of many reasons ($ & injury risk) I would have preferred to walk away from JC.  Then there is no issue at all.   If we have to go 3-qB then 4-rb is how we've gone in past, and that puts D-Henderson in the cross hairs of the PS.

 

 

[champ11]

Keeping Charles is an easy decision. He is great in pass protection and will be super valuable as a third down back. He's a veteran leader. And our offensive couldn't score touchdowns last year and he is a guy that could take runs and short catches to the house. Go two QB's slash cut one of our crap depth lineman. 

[BroncoBruin]

VJ already announced only 2 QBs will be carried. 6 WRs, 3 TEs (Butt PUP), 9 OL, 5 RB makes 25. They are not going to risk a guy who has been a special talent all throughout camp and the preseason until the last game. Some perspective is critical here.

It's not a numbers issue.