Who ends up drafting Kyler Murray?

[Tetsujin]

44 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Stills is a #2 at best on a good team. Wilson is a #3 at best on a good team. Grant is a #4 and return specialist at best on a good team. That's a bottom 10 WR trio imo.

Yes, they lack a true #1, but when they were all healthy together, they played quite well. A bottom 10 WR trio in name recognition, certainly, but perhaps not in ability. PFF really liked them. (take that for what it's worth)

[brownie man]

actually I'm going to change my pick to Miami 

I think Caldwell will like Murray and they need to do a full rebuild 

I could see them signing Tyrod in FA then drafting Murray 

[BayRaider]

Dolphins nab him and he’s be a good fit there I think. I think he’ll be the 3rd QB off the board. Giants surprise everyone and pass on a 1st Round QB, Haskins goes 7 to Jacksonville, Lock goes 10 to Denver even with the Flacco trade, and Murray 13 to Miami. I think Daniel Jones will fall a lot. He’s extremely raw. 

[Tetsujin]

If Miami goes with Murray then we need to make immediate investments on the OL. The iOL is a mess right now. The LG and OC hit IR at the beginning of the season and the starting RG is very below avg in pass protection. Right tackle may become an immediate need if Ju'wuan James isn't resigned. That's half the reason I'd rather wait until 2020 for the QB. Take advantage of this DL rich draft early. 

[Chrissooner49er]

I think there is more to the Kingsbury/Cards rumors than many of us think. Why would Kingsbury stick with Rosen? I think Murray bailed on the A's because he was told he would be taken high. How much higher does it get than the Cards at #1?! 

However, he is no Baker Mayfield. I am uncertain of his success in the NFL. Just like I am uncertain of Kingsbury's success in the NFL. 

[SmittyBacall]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the New England Patriots move up to draft Murray as Brady's heir apparent. The Patriots being all over Baker Mayfield last year leads me to believe they are willing to make a drastic investment in a QB to groom post-Brady.

I think two QBs go in the top 10. Lock (most likely to Denver at 10), and Haskins somewhere in the top 5 (likely Jacksonville). The Giants I feel will pass on quarterback in the first round after Haskins is off the board and take Jonah Williams, trade down, or take the best defensive player. 

Murray will then slide into the 12-15 area where Miami or Washington could be tempted. This is where I could see New England making their move. Also, New England has an extra 2nd round pick this year. So they've got some ammo.

[Tugboat]

9 hours ago, SmittyBacall said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the New England Patriots move up to draft Murray as Brady's heir apparent. The Patriots being all over Baker Mayfield last year leads me to believe they are willing to make a drastic investment in a QB to groom post-Brady.

I think two QBs go in the top 10. Lock (most likely to Denver at 10), and Haskins somewhere in the top 5 (likely Jacksonville). The Giants I feel will pass on quarterback in the first round after Haskins is off the board and take Jonah Williams, trade down, or take the best defensive player. 

Murray will then slide into the 12-15 area where Miami or Washington could be tempted. This is where I could see New England making their move. Also, New England has an extra 2nd round pick this year. So they've got some ammo.

Was the Patriots interest in Mayfield last year really about being ready to invest a ton at the position though?  Or maybe more just about Bill and Co. taking advantage of an opportunity to really find out what makes him tick so they're prepared when it looked like a pretty reasonable chance he'd end up in their division with the Jets and Bills clearly in the market, along with a conference rival in the Browns?

 

I just have a hard time seeing the Patriots doing anything other than spending what they can on assets to help bring home as many rings as possible in the final years of the Brady train.  Maybe going the JimmyG route again with one of those multiple second rounders or something.  But a guy like Kyler Murray isn't helping them get Brady another ring or two.

I don't see the fit there...but i wouldn't be surprised to see them look very interested in an oddball like Murray while trying to build a book on him.

[SmittyBacall]

2 hours ago, Tugboat said:

Was the Patriots interest in Mayfield last year really about being ready to invest a ton at the position though?  Or maybe more just about Bill and Co. taking advantage of an opportunity to really find out what makes him tick so they're prepared when it looked like a pretty reasonable chance he'd end up in their division with the Jets and Bills clearly in the market, along with a conference rival in the Browns?

 

I just have a hard time seeing the Patriots doing anything other than spending what they can on assets to help bring home as many rings as possible in the final years of the Brady train.  Maybe going the JimmyG route again with one of those multiple second rounders or something.  But a guy like Kyler Murray isn't helping them get Brady another ring or two.

I don't see the fit there...but i wouldn't be surprised to see them look very interested in an oddball like Murray while trying to build a book on him.

Your theory makes sense. And I had a hard time believing it was legitimate interest too, until I read this. 

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"We had another team which is going to surprise you. Another team had said, 'You may get a big surprise on draft day, at No. 2, if he's available.' And it was the Patriots," Mills said. "They had 23 and they had 31 and they had two seconds. We thought, 'That's gonna be a heck of a move, to get up that high from where they are.' And of course he wasn't available so we never knew if that was a reality or not."

I’m starting to think the final chapter of Bill’s legacy is a succession plan that bridges the gap of greatness between Tom and his heir apparent. To maintain the franchises annual SB aspirations after Bill and Tom have called it quits. What better way to end your coaching career if you can hand the reigns to seemlessly to another great? It’s a perfect situation for Kyler Murray too. He can come in, understudy the GOAT, bulk up, etc. and takeover when the time comes.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23374606/agent-says-new-england-patriots-discussed-trading-draft-baker-mayfield

[DirtyDez]

14 hours ago, Chrissooner49er said:

I think there is more to the Kingsbury/Cards rumors than many of us think. Why would Kingsbury stick with Rosen? I think Murray bailed on the A's because he was told he would be taken high. How much higher does it get than the Cards at #1?! 

However, he is no Baker Mayfield. I am uncertain of his success in the NFL. Just like I am uncertain of Kingsbury's success in the NFL. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000688920/article/steve-keim-laments-scouting-evaluation-on-russell-wilson

[bucksavage1]

Murray ends up on the Raiders. They need a headline player going into Las Vegas and a upgrade at QB

[tom cody]

I think he goes to Miami. 

[goldfishwars]

If I'm the Bengals, I've got a new offensive-minded head coach and I'm stuck in perennial purgatory with Andy Dalton - why would I let someone with Murray's upside slide by?  

[SmittyBacall]

On 2/18/2019 at 2:39 AM, BayRaider said:

I think Daniel Jones will fall a lot. He’s extremely raw. 

If Jones is extremely raw what does that make Tyree Jackson?

I actually think Jones is more pro ready that you're letting on. I think he still goes late 2nd, early 3rd. 

[SmittyBacall]

22 minutes ago, goldfishwars said:

If I'm the Bengals, I've got a new offensive-minded head coach and I'm stuck in perennial purgatory with Andy Dalton - why would I let someone with Murray's upside slide by?  

Bengals fans are warming up to this concept if he's there at 11. Frankly, I'm 'bout it. Trading up for him is kind of a turnoff, however. We still need draft capitol to fix the offensive line and grab a linebacker or two.

It would be very similar to the plan KC executed with Mahomes. Start Dalton for the 2019 season, and trade him for a late first or 2nd rounder next off season. 

11. Kyler Murray

42. Devin Bush / Mack Wilson / Chris Lindstrom / Kaleb McGary / Garrett Bradbury / Yodny Cajuste

72. Germaine Pratt / Elgton Jenkins / David Edwards / Erik McCoy / Ben Powers

It could be done. 

 

[goldfishwars]

1 hour ago, SmittyBacall said:

Bengals fans are warming up to this concept if he's there at 11. Frankly, I'm 'bout it. Trading up for him is kind of a turnoff, however. We still need draft capitol to fix the offensive line and grab a linebacker or two.

It would be very similar to the plan KC executed with Mahomes. Start Dalton for the 2019 season, and trade him for a late first or 2nd rounder next off season. 

11. Kyler Murray

42. Devin Bush / Mack Wilson / Chris Lindstrom / Kaleb McGary / Garrett Bradbury / Yodny Cajuste

72. Germaine Pratt / Elgton Jenkins / David Edwards / Erik McCoy / Ben Powers

It could be done. 

 

I just think this year is the perfect time to decide you're not going to accept mediocrity. Like, nobody is linking Murray to Cinci because they think you guys enjoy being adequate. Get a QB who can take you places. Stop trying to make everything perfect around the position. 

Bengals draft classes have been well received for years. It's time to be brave.