.Buzz Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Just now, Tugboat said: That late season "improvement" was a mirage. Leaning on some brief flicker of life in the garbage time of the season is almost always a mistake. A line that can't run block is bad. Period. Especially when your gameplan is apparently to pound the rock. Idk why they'd think it was just magically going to get better at that without really changing anything. Again, no one here is saying the OL was good last year and we shouldn't have done more (Zeitler, etc.). But the OL wasn't "atrocious" in all facets. Pass blocking it improved quite a bit from the previous year. Also, I'm not sure how you can take 6 games out of a 16 game season and just say "discredit that, it's nothing, who cares." Sorry, but it was solid. Watched every second of all of those games. Just because they are bad right now doesn't negate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 If we would have gotten Zietler it would have been great but it wasnt in the cards. We improved the defense alot though. Cant get every big name even if we can afford it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jags Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: If we would have gotten Zietler it would have been great but it wasnt in the cards. We improved the defense alot though. Cant get every big name even if we can afford it That's the thing, Zietler was just the biggest name available. We could've plenty of guys that would've upgraded our offensive line. If the Jaguars could've gotten 1 of these 10 or even 1 of the top 5, this would've been a different discussion currently. Some of the names from 2017 FA: Riley Reiff - OT - Solid player Ron leary - OG - Top Tier LG Larry Warford - OG - Solid player (considered really good first couple of years). Andrew Whitworth - LT - Old (35) but effective (see the failed Branden Albert experiment) T.J. Lang - OG - Good player J.C. Tretter - C - Young guy had a great year Russell Okung - T - Average Chance Warmack - G - Still potential there and he's only 25 Cyrus Kouandjio - T - Young guy made a mistake and hopefully he'll capitalize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Chance is garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 1 minute ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Chance is garbage As is Okung and fairly sure Cyrus is in that same category. Would have been cool seeing any of the other guys though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 32 minutes ago, .Buzz said: As is Okung and fairly sure Cyrus is in that same category. Would have been cool seeing any of the other guys though. We brought in Albert who was supposedly gonna be a bandaid until he got hurt and Cam thrown in. Who knew he'd holdout/retire? this isnt Madden. You cant just throw a huge offer out there and expect to land everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, .Buzz said: Again, no one here is saying the OL was good last year and we shouldn't have done more (Zeitler, etc.). But the OL wasn't "atrocious" in all facets. Pass blocking it improved quite a bit from the previous year. Also, I'm not sure how you can take 6 games out of a 16 game season and just say "discredit that, it's nothing, who cares." Sorry, but it was solid. Watched every second of all of those games. Just because they are bad right now doesn't negate that. So then why is the unit looking worse now (and more like the larger garbage sample version from last year)? Why in your estimation has the unit allegedly regressed then? What has really changed? It's basically the same talent...a slight upgrade in Cam if anything, no? Sometimes the simplest most obvious solution is the most correct. ie. They were never actually good in the first place. It's not "regression" from their better play, its regression to the mean. The better play was probably the anomaly and they've always actually been a bad unit. Though the thing that dumbfounds me...is that other teams do seem to get more out of less "on paper" talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiron Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 11 hours ago, .Buzz said: We aren't going to be picking 1st overall... Well, not with that attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Castiron said: Well, not with that attitude. I have zero interest in picking 1st overall. If we can go like 7-9/8-8 this year I would feel SOOOO good about the future because that obviously means some units on the team took serious steps and we can make a move in the draft or sit tight pending on how many good options there are and still get a QB while having a decent situation for him to come into. I have no interest in seeing a team that gets blown out/one of the worst teams in the league just to draft a guy next year into a terrible situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jags Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 3 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Chance is garbage You can say the same thing about every offensive lineman on this team not named Brandon Linder and give a pass to the rookie. Basura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, .Buzz said: I have zero interest in picking 1st overall. If we can go like 7-9/8-8 this year I would feel SOOOO good about the future because that obviously means some units on the team took serious steps and we can make a move in the draft or sit tight pending on how many good options there are and still get a QB while having a decent situation for him to come into. I have no interest in seeing a team that gets blown out/one of the worst teams in the league just to draft a guy next year into a terrible situation. True. Winning a good, respectable number of games would be the ideal. I absolutely hope that's the case. But if we're talking about winning like...4 games instead of 3 or something...who even cares? Once you fall down that well of hopelessness and tanking a season...might as well fall to the bottom i guess. There's no joy in winning an extra game at the tail end of a writeoff season against another team that's also basically given up. That doesn't mean the team has a brighter future or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 7:58 PM, .Buzz said: As is Okung and fairly sure Cyrus is in that same category. Would have been cool seeing any of the other guys though. Cyrus is decent. Probably a tick above parnell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 i don't know if we will go after him cuz hes an rfa but ty nsheke would be a quality add next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 7:08 PM, .Buzz said: Again, no one here is saying the OL was good last year and we shouldn't have done more (Zeitler, etc.). But the OL wasn't "atrocious" in all facets. Pass blocking it improved quite a bit from the previous year. Also, I'm not sure how you can take 6 games out of a 16 game season and just say "discredit that, it's nothing, who cares." Sorry, but it was solid. Watched every second of all of those games. Just because they are bad right now doesn't negate that. Regardless of if it was our garbage time, other teams were trying to make the playoffs so if they looked better vs starters that were thirsty for a win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20489636/jacksonville-jaguars-coach-says-blake-bortles-best-seen-him Marrone says the three day stretch since being renamed starter is the best he’s ever seen Bortles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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