joru1000 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) At the end of the day, it was basically the same roster and coaching staff that blew a 5-0 start last season against fairly weak opponents to completely miss the playoffs. There's something in the water with this team that didn't make me think completely crapping the bed at the most important moment in the season was really all that unlikely. We shouldn't be married to anyone on this team, whether it's Zimmer, Harrison Smith, Everson Griffen or the long snapper. Edited January 22, 2018 by joru1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss_vike Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 We were clearly out-coached in both the divisional round and in the CG. Also out-played, I agree. But it start with coaching. Players were put in bad situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Zimmer coached not to lose. He got way too conservative in the second half against New Orleans, and came out conservative against the Eagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, swiss_vike said: We were clearly out-coached in both the divisional round and in the CG. Also out-played, I agree. But it start with coaching. Players were put in bad situations. I don't know, the players did so many things fundamentally wrong, like tackling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 hours ago, swiss_vike said: Zimmer ignores matchups. Putting best 5 offensive line man in the game is simply ignoring matchups. What's the better matchup? Hill against Barnett or Sirles/Isidora against Jernigan? Beside fundamentals and techniques (Zimmer is top notch here), coaching in the NFL is 2 things: 1) Matchups (strategical) 2) Adaptions (tactical) I think that Zimmer is average in tactics and bad on the strategic level. Don't misunderstand me, I love Mike Zimmer. But he's lacking in certain areas that I think are needed to get teams to the next level of success. Both Saints and Eagles games have shown that pretty clear. He coached not to loose. Compare how the Eagles came out of halftime, up 17 points, to how the Vikings came out of haltfime, up 17 points against the Saints. Night and Day. (And take into acount that Eagles faced a backup QB and Vikings faced a HOF QB). What Doug did was championship football, what Mike did is hoping for the best. Maybe he'll learn, but it's hard to get out of your skin. Offensive lines don't usually get switched around do to matchups 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think it was Shurmur's worst game of the year, more then Zimmer's worst game of the year. Our true MVP Harrison Smith had his worst game in maybe 2 years (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, vikingsrule said: I don't know, the players did so many things fundamentally wrong, like tackling. This. Exactly this. Combine that with Keenum's inability to keep pace and last night happened. They need a better QB and the defense can't make that many mistakes at the same time. It wasn't the scheme, it was execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milanb Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, joru1000 said: At the end of the day, it was basically the same roster and coaching staff that blew a 5-0 start last season against fairly weak opponents to completely miss the playoffs. There's something in the water with this team that didn't make me think completely crapping the bed at the most important moment in the season was really all that unlikely. We shouldn't be married to anyone on this team, whether it's Zimmer, Harrison Smith, Everson Griffen or the long snapper. Totally agree. Prior to the Eagles game I posted about having a really bad feeling about what was going to happen. I too haven't forgotten the way the team started out 5-0 in 2016, then went into a downward spiral and Zimmer was unable to pull them out of it. Yeah, I know they had all the injuries along the OL, but the vaunted defence pulled a disappearing act at key moments as well. There is a serious lack of mental toughness with this team and I am not sure what the solution is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gnat Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I don't think that the mental toughness issue comes from Zim though. To me, it looks more like an issue some with the players and some with the stage. It shouldn't have been too big, but felt like it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Zimmer will learn from this and know how to handle it next time. Still glad he's our coach! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, TENINCH said: Zimmer will learn from this and know how to handle it next time. Still glad he's our coach! I agree. To me, it falls on player execution. Once things started going south, it just snowballed and Murphy's Law took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milanb Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, disaacs said: I agree. To me, it falls on player execution. Once things started going south, it just snowballed and Murphy's Law took over. Zimmer is the head coach. A big part of his job is to keep things from snowballing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, milanb said: Zimmer is the head coach. A big part of his job is to keep things from snowballing. A coach can only do so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, milanb said: Zimmer is the head coach. A big part of his job is to keep things from snowballing. What do you say to Harrison Smith (one of your surest tacklers) when he's missing tackles to fix it? I'm sure whatever it is Zimmer said and it didn't translate to the field. Eagles exposed our weaknesses on both side of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 To have a chance for a comeback .. meant that Vikings would need to abandon their game plan and pretty much blitz none stop and have supreme tackling on the back end. It would also mean keeping multiple blockers in to help the OL or go heavy in the screen game to slow down the pass rush (who were crushing our OL). I didn't see enough of these adjustments by Zimmer & Shurmur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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