TheVillain112 Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, otg said: I'm historically a fan of having strength in the trenches. However Villain has made an argument that there is a statistical trend of elite players in the secondary contribute more to success that elite defensive tackles (not that I'm arguing for a defensive back here). If you remember were these articles are I'd love to see them. Bill Belichick is really doing a number on my thinking that pass rush is what's most vital to a defense. Now there's reports that the Patriots won't franchise tag Trey Flowers. THIS IS MADNESS! I'm still of the mindset that building through the trenches is the way to go (Offense and Defense). But if we take a player like Byron Murphy at #11 overall, I won't be mad. Hell with the needs this team has, there's very few players that I would actually be upset about taking at #11 overall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Bengal_Fl Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, otg said: I'm historically a fan of having strength in the trenches. However Villain has made an argument that there is a statistical trend of elite players in the secondary contribute more to success that elite defensive tackles (not that I'm arguing for a defensive back here). If you remember were these articles are I'd love to see them. But how many teams have 2 elite pass rushing DTs, and good DEs? Imagine Atkins, Oliver, Dunlap and Lawson on the field at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otg Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 52 minutes ago, Jason_Bengal_Fl said: But how many teams have 2 elite pass rushing DTs, and good DEs? Imagine Atkins, Oliver, Dunlap and Lawson on the field at the same time. Oh I'm not against the idea. Just considering options. Like I said I'm a trenches guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, otg said: Oh I'm not against the idea. Just considering options. Like I said I'm a trenches guy. You're probably the only poster i know that has more likes than posts. Anyway, i'm still a trenches guy too. Despite the Patriots formula, they still seem to win in the trenches a lot. They also have an uncanny ability to smother other teams weapons no matter who their personnel is, which no one else seems to be able to replicate. So i'm not sure that chasing their success is the best formula anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, theJ said: You're probably the only poster i know that has more likes than posts. Anyway, i'm still a trenches guy too. Despite the Patriots formula, they still seem to win in the trenches a lot. They also have an uncanny ability to smother other teams weapons no matter who their personnel is, which no one else seems to be able to replicate. So i'm not sure that chasing their success is the best formula anyway. In the post season the refs allow a lot more holding/grabbing of WRs. In the regular season the Patriots defense didn't look 'elite' and then all of a sudden their defense in the playoffs looked like the best in the NFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Version 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 9 hours ago, TheVillain112 said: Version 2... Not bad. Do you ever feel like when you go DL in the first, that you are chasing needs the rest of the way? I can get behind a lot of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Ew, not a fan of Burns at 11. We have Lawson for the same roll as an edge pass rush specialist. Who else was available when you picked there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 My first attempt at a Fanspeak mock draft 11: R1P11 QB DWAYNE HASKINS OHIO ST. 42: R2P10 G CHRIS LINDSTROM BOSTON COLLEGE 72: R3P8 LB GERMAINE PRATT NORTH CAROLINA ST. 110: R4P8 EDGE JORDAN BRAILFORD OKLAHOMA ST. 149: R5P11 TE FOSTER MOREAU L.S.U. 183: R6P10 WR GARY JENNINGS, JR. WEST VIRGINIA 198: R6P25 DL BYRON COWART MARYLAND 210: R6P37 OT MARTEZ IVEY FLORIDA 211: R6P38 K COLE TRACY L.S.U. 213: R6P40 RB WES HILLS SLIPPERY ROCK 223: R7P9 LB BEN BURR-KIRVEN WASHINGTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 8:07 PM, INbengalfan said: Not bad. Do you ever feel like when you go DL in the first, that you are chasing needs the rest of the way? I can get behind a lot of this I wouldn't say the rest of the way, but definitely prioritized LB. We're in such bad shape currently at LB that even with a LB in the first, we still need to draft more (before the 5th). I really hope we trade for Darron Lee prior to the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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