Leader Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Does it ever get tiring being a feckless pedant over genuine labor concerns? Manny got paid. Real well under extended contract terms which offers some flexibility to reset matters once he hits 30-31 years of age. Good. Sounds like a win/win for both sides. As for the other "labor concerns" teams are reaching extensions with the players now that bypass arbitration years - again, resetting the market ahead of when necessary. I realize you're all into gross revenues, hard caps with ceilings and floors - but the market is working just fine. I'm happy for Machado - he got paid - and SD as they got their "star". Interested to see if he's able to turn that "best FA contract" into on the field results. His talent failed to do that in BALT and now LAX - neither of whom were interested in either the player or the paycheck - as they're entitled. Perhaps SD will be the charm. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: It's a government protected monopoly where every 5 years a ton of lawyers have to gather and write a several hundred page contract exhausting everything from travel/hotel responsibilities to service time to who tips the clubbies. Just as Ayn Rand intended. I think some people need to open up their old Microecon textbooks if they think “collusion” to drive prices down in an oligopoly is just socialist handwringing. Need I bring up the classic airline example or the actual collusion settlement in baseball in the mid-80s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: I honestly can't think of a single more regulated market than Sports. EDUCATION Federal mandates (Race to the Top, No Child Left Behind, etc.) State licensure (Sure, if you don't like it, leave...and then take another 2-4 years of certification classes) Tiered pay and Contract Status (Based upon years of service, education level, tenure) I could go on, but I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Sherman: Lozano/Machado asked teams for best offers in last week of 2018, idea was to eliminate 2 of 6 suitors and ultimately decide early in new yr. but to get to magic $300M had to keep grinding until 3d week of Feb. persistence literally paid off. It would be best for baseball if Machado worked out in San Diego, but if you were making percentages where would you put the likelihood he serves the full 10 years with Padres? I would say no better than 25 pct. I will put the first Machado to Yankees rumors at in 2021. I agree: "It would be best for baseball if Machado worked out in San Diego" It would be best for all concerned if SD became a player once again - which wouldnt happen if the NYY were simply buying up everybody based on their "gross revenues" w/o any consideration of the current cap/luxury tax setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Finally we see Machado signed. The Padres is not the spot many thought he'd go but at least he is signed now. Best wishes to him with the Padres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuy82 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I'll be assuming Bryce will sign within a day or 2 now that the superstar market is set. Let's just keep him out of the AL East plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Ken Rosenthal: Source: WhiteSox offer to Machado was 8/$250M (a higher AAV than he will receive from Padres) Total value of deal - with incentives and vesting options - could have been “well north” of $300M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I want Bryce in SD too. Make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttitansfan4life Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 So why didn’t he just stay with the Orioles if he doesn’t care about winning? He’s definitely not winning in San Diego. Orioles must’ve not been willing to come close to that contract with notoriously how cheap they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, candyman93 said: I want Bryce in SD too. Make it happen. I mean, I could get on board with this just to listen to all the Dodgers fans in my area cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuy82 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, ttitansfan4life said: So why didn’t he just stay with the Orioles if he doesn’t care about winning? He’s definitely not winning in San Diego. Orioles must’ve not been willing to come close to that contract with notoriously how cheap they are. I love the direction SD is taking. It's night and day comparing the 2 franchises and the direction they are trending. Padres have what could be an exceptional IF as early as July this year. If they get healthy seasons from Margot and Myers and arms like Lucchesi, Strahm take the next step the team could be legit. Probably have 5-6 quality arms within the top 150 prospects which may or may not pan out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Didn't even make an offer. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: It's a government protected monopoly where every 5 years a ton of lawyers have to gather and write a several hundred page contract exhausting everything from travel/hotel responsibilities to service time to who tips the clubbies. Just as Ayn Rand intended. 1. It is not a government protected monopoly. It just isn't forbidden by anti trust law. There is a big difference. Government protected happens when the government itself is giving exclusive rights (like to Comcast in the Philly area). Monopolies are not by themselves illegal. Only by statute. Not covering them is not protecting them. 2. The exemption is overstated. All the other leagues don't have exemptions and all deal with the same issues. In fact the MLB Players Union has historically still been the strongest of the players unions. 3. There can be monopolies in a free market. In fact there almost certainly would be. Only government prohibition can really prevent it. 4. There is nothing prohibiting a new baseball league to form other than economic considerations. 5. Why should employees be able to come together for more negotiating power but not a company? You can't just limit it base on size. So if you say they can't then even small businesses can't. 6. Collective bargaining is exactly the process that unions want. Just because the union didn't do as good as they may have wanted doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Player revenue is down across the board relative to past teends, the mid range free agent no longer exists. These have been the things we've been talking about for the last six months, if you seriously are still trying to obfuscate and miss the point and what we've been discussing that's on you. You are assuming trends need to continue. That is not the case. If things are trending badly they will and should correct themselves. That isn't the players getting screwed. That is the players benefiting in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Projected WAR over the life of the deal * $/WAR estimate based on historic market data = Total player production I failed mathematics and statistics, soooooo, yeah. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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