Jlowe22 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 It's cool to hate on Rodgers now after he had a down year, but he's had a great career. His career plus talent can put him on an all time list. He's only missing longevity and the bulk stats that go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 11:50 AM, Nick_gb said: This would have worked for an argument had I not seen your top 4 list that included Brett Favre. There's no way in hell that Brett Favre was a better quarterback then Aaron Rodgers is and that's coming from someone who grew up worshipping Brett Favre and dreading the day that he would inevitably retire. This would have worked for an argument had I actually asserted Favre was the 4th best of all time. So, did you not read the thread or what? This is a question of which of THOSE quarterbacks are the best amongst Favre, Young, Marino and Brees. I dont have Favre in my top 5 let alone #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 2:26 PM, x0x said: Question is career. Brees won the only title for his franchise and only major sports title in that city. He's currently the career yards leader and might retire with most yards and TDs. Favre and Young played for storied franchises winning 1 title. Marino won 0. All 3 of Favre, Young and Brees have one title. You seem to be depicting it as though this isn't the case. The fact that Brees got the first in NO history is completely irrelevant to his merit as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Its clearly and obviously Favre Favre played in 2 Super Bowls Brees and Marino played in 1 Favre won 3 MVP awards Marino - 1 Brees - 0 Favre had 14 winning seasons, 2 seasons at .500, and only 2 losing seasons Brees is 9-2-6 Marino is 12-2-2 Favre had 10 seasons of 10+ wins Brees has 8 Marino has 6 He had 6 seasons of 12+ wins Brees has 3 Marino has 3 What about greatness? Favre was widely regarded as the best QB in the league for a while. (1995-2003) Warner outplayed him in 1999 but no one crowned Kurt after 1 season Marino had his run of 1984-1986 Brees has not been widely regarded as the best for even 1 minute of his career. Now if the question was who had the best passing yardage numbers on teams that failed to have winning records Brees wins that as passing yards champ on 5 teams that were 8-8 or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Favre is 74 games above .500 Marino is 54 Brees is 47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, SkippyX said: Favre played in 2 Super Bowls Brees and Marino played in 1 3 hours ago, SkippyX said: Favre had 14 winning seasons, 2 seasons at .500, and only 2 losing seasons Brees is 9-2-6 Marino is 12-2-2 Favre had 10 seasons of 10+ wins Brees has 8 Marino has 6 He had 6 seasons of 12+ wins Brees has 3 Marino has 3 These are all team accomplishments and give little merit to the quarterback themselves. 3 hours ago, SkippyX said: Brees - 0 Brees has not been widely regarded as the best for even 1 minute of his career. Yes, of course, Brees is the worst of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 These are all great QBs. And I think it's close. So I went with Brees become he did what I would have thought 20 years would have been the impossible, which was leading the Saints to a Super Bowl champions; I remember their fans wearing bags over their heads and called them the Aints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 9:37 PM, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: These are all team accomplishments and give little merit to the quarterback themselves. Its a team sport but the QB is the unquestioned leader. This game sums up the foolishness of the Brees worship based on stats over wins. Bengals at Saints - 2006 Brees had 510 yards and 2 TDs so his stat accumulation was on-point. He also had 3 picks of which 1 was a pick-6 and the other 2 were interceptions in the end zone. They lost 31-16 and Brees with 500+ yards was the worst player on the field. (he made the 3 worst plays) This was in the dome to an 8-8 Bengals team. If he had 380 yards and no picks, they win that game and he finishes 2006 as 3rd in passing yards instead of 1st. His individual stat (510 yards) did not help the team win the game. His whole greatness is based on the individual stats of passing yards and TDs and completion percentage. Look at a year like 2016 when the Saints went 7-9. 5208 yards and 37 TDs - worship his stats! Sure his D let him down and he lost some shootouts to Atlanta and Oakland. He also won shootouts in the 30s vs Carolina and San Diego He also threw 8 picks in 3 losses to Denver, Detroit, and at Tampa. All those teams finished at 9-7 because they beat the Saints. The Lions made the playoffs at 9-7 Brees is a first ballot hall of fame QB who won a Super Bowl and will likely retire as #1 in regular season passing yards and passing TDs. I'd also point out that his 8 TD 0 pick 117.0 rating playoff run in 2009 is highly underrated. That's not enough for some people who feel the need to LeBron-ize him and insist he is greater than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 hours ago, SkippyX said: Its a team sport but the QB is the unquestioned leader. This game sums up the foolishness of the Brees worship based on stats over wins. Bengals at Saints - 2006 Brees had 510 yards and 2 TDs so his stat accumulation was on-point. He also had 3 picks of which 1 was a pick-6 and the other 2 were interceptions in the end zone. They lost 31-16 and Brees with 500+ yards was the worst player on the field. (he made the 3 worst plays) This was in the dome to an 8-8 Bengals team. If he had 380 yards and no picks, they win that game and he finishes 2006 as 3rd in passing yards instead of 1st. His individual stat (510 yards) did not help the team win the game. His whole greatness is based on the individual stats of passing yards and TDs and completion percentage. Look at a year like 2016 when the Saints went 7-9. 5208 yards and 37 TDs - worship his stats! Sure his D let him down and he lost some shootouts to Atlanta and Oakland. He also won shootouts in the 30s vs Carolina and San Diego He also threw 8 picks in 3 losses to Denver, Detroit, and at Tampa. All those teams finished at 9-7 because they beat the Saints. The Lions made the playoffs at 9-7 Brees is a first ballot hall of fame QB who won a Super Bowl and will likely retire as #1 in regular season passing yards and passing TDs. I'd also point out that his 8 TD 0 pick 117.0 rating playoff run in 2009 is highly underrated. That's not enough for some people who feel the need to LeBron-ize him and insist he is greater than he is. That Brees sometimes has good stats when the team loses doesn't mean anything. That happens all the time to every QB. He's had worse defenses than most every other HoF QB, and that's by far the primary reason for his fewer wins than other Hof QBs. Despite that, he still has a SB win, which either means something or it doesn't. It can't mean something when talking about one QB and not the other. I can cherry pick 500 yard passing games too, like the one against the Giants in 2015. Brees 505 yards and 7 TDs very much helped the Saints win that game. As far as the games mentioned about 2016, Brees played well against Denver. Denver had the #4 scoring defense that year and the number 1 pass defense by passer rating against. The Saints lost to a blocked and returned extra point which should have been called out of bounds. You can safely box score scout the other two games, he played badly in both. In any case, if we're gonna bring up individual bad games, I can do that for the other QBs mentioned in this thread. Especially Favre and Marino, both of whom people seem to often forget their negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Favre has more winning seasons because the Packers actually had better well rounded teams. Brees has played with literally several of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL while Favre played with like 8 great defenses in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 6:31 PM, SkippyX said: What about greatness? Favre was widely regarded as the best QB in the league for a while. (1995-2003) Warner outplayed him in 1999 but no one crowned Kurt after 1 season Marino had his run of 1984-1986 Brees has not been widely regarded as the best for even 1 minute of his career. If Favre's career coincided entirely with Peyton Manning's and Tom Brady's, Favre would've never been considered the best QB in the NFL either. And Favre was not widely regarded as the best QB in the league for 9 years. He had a 3 year run where he didn't even make the pro-bowl in that timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 20 hours ago, Jakuvious said: If Favre's career coincided entirely with Peyton Manning's and Tom Brady's, Favre would've never been considered the best QB in the NFL either. And Favre was not widely regarded as the best QB in the league for 9 years. He had a 3 year run where he didn't even make the pro-bowl in that timeframe. Sure it would have, Maddens commentating career lasted until 2008. Thats all you need for Favre to be considered the best QB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 12:47 PM, SkippyX said: Its a team sport but the QB is the unquestioned leader. So? That doesn't mean you give all credit to the QB as though wins are an individual stat for a quarterback. On 3/3/2019 at 12:47 PM, SkippyX said: Brees had 510 yards and 2 TDs so his stat accumulation was on-point. He also had 3 picks of which 1 was a pick-6 and the other 2 were interceptions in the end zone. They lost 31-16 and Brees with 500+ yards was the worst player on the field. (he made the 3 worst plays) This was in the dome to an 8-8 Bengals team. If he had 380 yards and no picks, they win that game and he finishes 2006 as 3rd in passing yards instead of 1st. His individual stat (510 yards) did not help the team win the game. His whole greatness is based on the individual stats of passing yards and TDs and completion percentage. Look at a year like 2016 when the Saints went 7-9. 5208 yards and 37 TDs - worship his stats! Sure his D let him down and he lost some shootouts to Atlanta and Oakland. He also won shootouts in the 30s vs Carolina and San Diego He also threw 8 picks in 3 losses to Denver, Detroit, and at Tampa. All those teams finished at 9-7 because they beat the Saints. The Lions made the playoffs at 9-7 This doesn't even mildly support the notion that wins should be used more to evaluate QB's. If anything, it just shows that you shouldn't be just using solely raw yardage and TD numbers to make judgements. Which is basically common sense to any non-Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 12 hours ago, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: So? That doesn't mean you give all credit to the QB as though wins are an individual stat for a quarterback. This doesn't even mildly support the notion that wins should be used more to evaluate QB's. If anything, it just shows that you shouldn't be just using solely raw yardage and TD numbers to make judgements. Which is basically common sense to any non-Saints fan. I don’t know of any Saints fan that thinks Brees yardage totals make him better than any other QB. We defend it when people act like it means nothing, which isn’t true, it does mean something, but it’s not the primary thing QBs should be judged on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: I don’t know of any Saints fan that thinks Brees yardage totals make him better than any other QB. We defend it when people act like it means nothing, which isn’t true, it does mean something, but it’s not the primary thing QBs should be judged on. Nobody claimed Saints fans said it was the primary thing QB's should be judged on. However, Volume passing statistics are one of if not the least important statistic that exists to evaluate QB's. Saints fans seem to have more trouble acknowledging that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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