Consensus Scouting Report - Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma

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5 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Useless maybe for times/drills on some things, but Pro Days for QBs are EXTREMELY popular/critiqued. 

Rehearsed garbage. Most GM interviews ive ever heard said they will watch Pro Days but it doesn’t factor into evaluation even 1%.

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Just now, BayRaider said:

Rehearsed garbage. Most GM interviews ive ever heard said they will watch Pro Days but it doesn’t factor into evaluation even 1%.

Meh. Andrew Luck heaving a wet heavy ball at his Pro Day cemented his #1 pick status.

Josh Allen's Pro Day by Buffalo's own admittance cemented their pick.

Teddy Bridgewater struggling at his Pro Day dropped him almost completely out of Round 1.

Private workouts are extremely important, but QB Pro Days are seen as important in the eyes of many...and that doesn't even count the interviews and private workouts.

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2 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Meh. Andrew Luck heaving a wet heavy ball at his Pro Day cemented his #1 pick status.

Josh Allen's Pro Day by Buffalo's own admittance cemented their pick.

Teddy Bridgewater struggling at his Pro Day dropped him almost completely out of Round 1.

Private workouts are extremely important, but QB Pro Days are seen as important in the eyes of many...and that doesn't even count the interviews and private workouts.

Andrew Luck was #1 no matter, like the easiest #1 pick of all time. 

Bridgewater having a bad pro day was his fault. Who has a bad pro day??? It’s all rehearsed hundreds of times. 

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1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Andrew Luck was #1 no matter, like the easiest #1 pick of all time. 

Some argued for RGIII over Luck. I'll never forget that. That also was the case with the Leaf vs. Manning debate. Hindsight is 20/20 here.

1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Bridgewater having a bad pro day was his fault.

Yes it was, but suffice it to say, it cost him a lot. That's my point...Pro Days DO factor in.

1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Who has a bad pro day??? 

Teddy Bridgewater

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1 hour ago, BayRaider said:

I think he bulked up 10-15lbs in a rush for the NFL Combine. Maybe he’s not confident throwing with the extra weight. That is a bit worrisome. 

Not sure how that would affect his ability to throw.

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15 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Some argued for RGIII over Luck. I'll never forget that. That also was the case with the Leaf vs. Manning debate. Hindsight is 20/20 here.

Yes it was, but suffice it to say, it cost him a lot. That's my point...Pro Days DO factor in.

Teddy Bridgewater

Yes Pro Days can factor in negatively but never positively. If you can’t have a good Pro Day when it’s rehearsed hundreds of times, you’re either injured or really suck. 

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4 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said:

Not sure how that would affect his ability to throw.

Extra weight you’re not use to can literally affect any of your skills, both physical and mental. However @MWil23 theory is a little better. 

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1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Extra weight you’re not use to can literally affect any of your skills, both physical and mental. However @MWil23 theory is a little better. 

Carrying extra weight affects your mental skills?

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1 minute ago, SmittyBacall said:

Carrying extra weight affects your mental skills?

Sure, it can cause discomfort and that will lead to impaired thinking at times due to the discomfort and focus on that. 

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1 hour ago, BayRaider said:

I think he bulked up 10-15lbs in a rush for the NFL Combine. Maybe he’s not confident throwing with the extra weight. That is a bit worrisome. 

Facts, his agent knew what was coming down the pipeline. They probably put him on a 5000 calorie diet up until the combine, but the problem is, this might affect his 40 whenever he runs.As far as him worried about throwing with extra weight, meh Jared Lorenzen could sling it and he was like 320

Edited February 28, 2019 by MSURacerDT55

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3 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Facts, his agent knew what was coming down the pipeline. They probably put him on a 5000 calorie diet up until the combine, but the problem is, this might affect his 40 whenever he runs

Agreed, extra weight you’re not used to is never good. Especially QUICK weight. Quick weight is all fat. To build muscle you need a very small surplus and sustained weight gain. 

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14 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

Sure, it can cause discomfort and that will lead to impaired thinking at times due to the discomfort and focus on that. 

Yeah, even if he did add 10-15 pounds over the course of a month or so I don't buy that at all.

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11 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

Agreed, extra weight you’re not used to is never good. Especially QUICK weight. Quick weight is all fat. To build muscle you need a very small surplus and sustained weight gain. 

We'll see how fat he looks at the combine when photos are released. Plus, it could also be water retention. If so he's got 24 hours to drop weight like a prize-fighter and perform drills at a weight closer to his playing weight. Again, this is all assuming his playing weight is less than 195. 

EDIT: Reports indicate it doesn't look like he's going to perform any drills in Indy.

Edited February 28, 2019 by SmittyBacall

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3 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said:

We'll see how fat he looks at the combine when photos are released. Plus, it could also be water retention. If so he's got 24 hours to drop weight like a prize-fighter and perform drills at a weight closer to his playing weight. Again, this is all assuming his playing weight is less than 195. 

EDIT: Reports indicate it doesn't look like he's going to perform any drills in Indy.

Water weight is very minor and you don’t put “on” water weight. UFC Fighters or Bodybuilders can lose water weight of 5lbs super easy by not eating sodium for three days. But you don’t “bulk” up with water weight. Doesn’t make any sense.

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32 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

Yes Pro Days can factor in negatively but never positively. If you can’t have a good Pro Day when it’s rehearsed hundreds of times, you’re either injured or really suck. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/alonzo-highsmith-explains-why-browns-preferred-mayfield-to-darnold-allen-gives-weird-reason-for-not-liking-rosen/

The Browns literally had Sam Darnold as #1 on their board until Baker's Pro Day/Private Workout. That made him vault Darnold to the #1 pick.