Woz Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 NOW you show up. Where'd you go when you dropped 2 of 3 to the Royals, @Marcus21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus21 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Woz said: NOW you show up. Where'd you go when you dropped 2 of 3 to the Royals, @Marcus21? We can’t win them all......chop chop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Decent moves, but this definitely does not compare to the impact a few years ago when they added Doolittle, Madson and Kintzler. Mychal Givens would've been a much better choice, but as @Woz and I discussed, ain't no deals happening between those two teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus21 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 My understanding is the National had no resources to pull of bigger deals. Teams were looking for decent hauls on big name realeavers and starters. Not to mention most playoff teams were looking for bullpen help. Rizz did the best he could with what he had to work with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 If at least one of them sticks well I'll be ecstatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, Marcus21 said: My understanding is the National had no resources to pull of bigger deals. Teams were looking for decent hauls on big name realeavers and starters. Not to mention most playoff teams were looking for bullpen help. Rizz did the best he could with what he had to work with. The Nationals could have matched/beat what the Braves gave up for Greene, Melancon, and Martin. Any restrictions were self induced. Either Rizzo didn't want to give up the prospects, or the Lerners didn't want to pay the money. The bottom line here is that the ownership and upper management have zero interest in post-season success. They simply want to field a team that will keep attendance at the park from plummeting. They're satisfied with ~.500 ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Marcus21 said: My understanding is the National had no resources to pull of bigger deals. Teams were looking for decent hauls on big name realeavers and starters. Not to mention most playoff teams were looking for bullpen help. Rizz did the best he could with what he had to work with. They had the resources, they just weren't willing to spend those resources to do it. These moves might turn the bullpen from unmitigated dumpster fire into pretty bad. That's a definite improvement, but that speaks more to how far down they were than the moves do to improve the team from an objective perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 13 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said: Decent moves, but this definitely does not compare to the impact a few years ago when they added Doolittle, Madson and Kintzler. Mychal Givens would've been a much better choice, but as @Woz and I discussed, ain't no deals happening between those two teams. Which ended up hurting both teams, but they hate each other so they we are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Marcus21 said: My understanding is the National had no resources to pull of bigger deals. Teams were looking for decent hauls on big name realeavers and starters. Not to mention most playoff teams were looking for bullpen help. Rizz did the best he could with what he had to work with. I mean, if you count Vasquez in that, then yeah, I'm pretty sure that Rizzo isn't giving up Kieboom or Rivera for him. However, the trades for relievers was very underwhelming in their returns, and the Braves managed to make three deals to overhaul their bullpen without sending away any top 100-ish prospects. They made some good moves to add depth to the bullpen, but there is still no one to trust in the 8th inning to get the game to Doolittle. There were those guys out on the market though, and they didn't get them. They've got the prospect capital to make those kind of moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 So, Al Galdi said someone did the math on how much luxury tax the Nats would have paid this year or last year if they had paid for more expensive relievers and it was only a little over $2 million. So, that's not an excuse IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, turtle28 said: So, Al Galdi said someone did the math on how much luxury tax the Nats would have paid this year or last year if they had paid for more expensive relievers and it was only a little over $2 million. So, that's not an excuse IMO. Isn't there a repeater tax they had to worry about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: Isn't there a repeater tax they had to worry about? The repeater tax is 50% of the overage. We're still talking about a minimal amount of money. However, under the CBA, you lose international bonus pool money if you go over the luxury tax (you also lose it for signing big free agents). That is a fairly big deal for teams looking to build long term. Fangraphs did a really good work up on how much value there is in the international pool: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/we-analyzed-the-value-of-international-signing-bonus-money/ Suffice to say, it easily provides the best value in baseball. This was how we got Juan Soto by the way. In 2015, the Nationals had the second lowest bonus pool amount (1.98 million) and signed Soto to a 1.5 million dollar deal. He'll have collected 2.4 million by the end of this season. He's been worth 6.2 WAR (fangraphs) to date. At even a conservative 7 million per 1 WAR, the Nationals have gotten an amazing deal. That being said, seasons like this are what we shut down Strasburg for. We've seen what this team does when it's healthy. The pen has literally cost this team a comfortable shot at the postseason. They've blown 20 saves. The average bullpen in MLB has blown 14. We are 7 games behind the Braves and 1 game behind in the WC. If we had signed Adam Ottavino, Joakim Soria, Justin Wilson, Sergio Romo, or Tyler Clippard instead of Rosenthal, we'd probably be atop the division right now. Needed a impact relief arm, and probably a couple others. Didn't get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 15 hours ago, Slateman said: The repeater tax is 50% of the overage. We're still talking about a minimal amount of money. However, under the CBA, you lose international bonus pool money if you go over the luxury tax (you also lose it for signing big free agents). That is a fairly big deal for teams looking to build long term. Fangraphs did a really good work up on how much value there is in the international pool: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/we-analyzed-the-value-of-international-signing-bonus-money/ Suffice to say, it easily provides the best value in baseball. This was how we got Juan Soto by the way. In 2015, the Nationals had the second lowest bonus pool amount (1.98 million) and signed Soto to a 1.5 million dollar deal. He'll have collected 2.4 million by the end of this season. He's been worth 6.2 WAR (fangraphs) to date. At even a conservative 7 million per 1 WAR, the Nationals have gotten an amazing deal. That being said, seasons like this are what we shut down Strasburg for. We've seen what this team does when it's healthy. The pen has literally cost this team a comfortable shot at the postseason. They've blown 20 saves. The average bullpen in MLB has blown 14. We are 7 games behind the Braves and 1 game behind in the WC. If we had signed Adam Ottavino, Joakim Soria, Justin Wilson, Sergio Romo, or Tyler Clippard instead of Rosenthal, we'd probably be atop the division right now. Needed a impact relief arm, and probably a couple others. Didn't get it. So sad reading that last paragraph, so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Glad Davey sent a reliever to hit in the bottom of the 6th. Elias pulled a hammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 Nats look like some ish tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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