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Rumor: Raiders Considering drafting Haskins or Murray

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2 minutes ago, Nodisrespect said:

This is nonsense, did you see Tebows throwing motion? He had a crazy wind up and the offense he ran in college was 1 read then run. Tebow was a obvious bust for obvious reasons and he wasn't 4.3 fast.

Exactly. All scouts had a 3rd Round grade on Tebow. McDaniels was just nuts. Murray is deserving of a 1st Round grade. Top 10 Prospect? No. But he’ll probably go Top 10.

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17 minutes ago, OG_C2X said:

Dude no. Murray isnt a good QB either. Hes a hell of a baseball player. 

This is my point. Tebow was a better prospect then Murray from an evaluation standpoint 

No he wasnt so your whole point is moot.

Arm: Murray

Accuracy: Murray

Speed: Murray

Size: Tebow

4000 yard passing seasons: Murray

1000 rushing seasons: Murray

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14 minutes ago, OG_C2X said:

Dude no. Murray isnt a good QB either. Hes a hell of a baseball player. 

This is my point. Tebow was a better prospect then Murray from an evaluation standpoint 

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xD "evaluation standpoint" 

We can understand if you dont like a player. But this is extremely a bad example. Tebow?!? 

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You are failing to realize i didn't like tebow as a prospect either. 

Says alot about Murray. 

Hes a BUM. Jason White was a better Oklahoma Prospect coming out

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21 minutes ago, OG_C2X said:

You are failing to realize i didn't like tebow as a prospect either. 

Says alot about Murray. 

Hes a BUM. Jason White was a better Oklahoma Prospect coming out

Yikes

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14 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said:

Yikes

 

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Ted nguyen wrote an article destroying Haskins. He was a bit harsh, but it was very fair criticism. Mark would have an aneurysm if we trade Carr, especially if the compensation wasn't huge.

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No way I'm gonna doubt OG until I see it. I was here when he called the trade down and drafting Hayden hours before it happened.

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3 hours ago, roi34 said:

No he wasnt so your whole point is moot.

Arm: Murray

Accuracy: Murray

Speed: Murray

Size: Tebow

4000 yard passing seasons: Murray

1000 rushing seasons: Murray

Great. From what i gather with the available resources at hand. When i watch Murray I would give him a late 2nd - early 3rd round grade. Right where i graded Tebow coming out.

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1 hour ago, BigD1123 said:

No way I'm gonna doubt OG until I see it. I was here when he called the trade down and drafting Hayden hours before it happened.

Amongst a few others... ;) I still know a few people that know stuff. Less now that reggie was fired. Gruden hired a lot of his people after reggie was fired... including Mayock.

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9 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Ted nguyen wrote an article destroying Haskins. He was a bit harsh, but it was very fair criticism. Mark would have an aneurysm if we trade Carr, especially if the compensation wasn't huge.

Haskins is too raw for me. Still green when it comes to football IQ and he def doesn’t have as much zip on his passes as Murray or Lock, feel like his balls just hang a tad too much. The only QB I’d take in this class in the 1st is Murray and I don’t want him. I would love Will Grier in the 3rd though. 

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Posted (edited)

I like drew lock or grier later in draft if im taking qb. 

Think locks arm is best in class

Finley isn't bad backup option

Edited by roi34

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I certainly hope this is a smoke screen as i'm not a fan of Haskins or Murray. Maybe just trying to bait a qb needy team into trying to trade up. I hope at least.

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1 hour ago, Jerry said:

I meant Julius Thomas.  Read the wrong name.  J. Thomas had 46 catches for 455 yards, 5 touchdowns that season.  ICO Allen Hurns, he was on the upward swing until he was injured in 2016. I'd take D. Carr surrounded by the 2016 Jaguars offense over what we had last year.  That's my argument.  As for buck, go ahead and take this argument to the general forum, along with all the other stupid stuff you've said so far.  Take your list of MVP caliber seasons too.  I'm pretty sure that would be crapped on all week long.

 
 

**Moved From Draft thread***

Ooooook now you mean Julius Thomas..the other average tight end on the Jags that year. And I'm the one saying stupid stuff? 46 catches at 455 yards and 5 TDs is a fairly average season for a tight end. No way anyone would take the Jaguars offense in 2015 vs Raiders offense in 2016.  Another ridiculous statement so let's take a look at it. 

 

Raiders 2016 Oline=  Penn, Osemele and Hudson were all pro bowlers before coming to the Raiders and after too. Add in emerging Gabe Jackson. The one average players was Austin Howard, Watson Right Tackle combo

Jags 2015 Oline= Joeckel, Cann, Beadles, Lil Wis, Parnell. Not one of the players would start for the Raiders in 2016. No pro bowlers, past or present

Advantage= Raiders BIG TIME

Cooper/Crabtree vs Robinson/Hurns = Both Cooper and Crabtree are better than Hurns. Cooper, Robinson and Crabtree were equal caliber players

Advantage = Raiders

 

Running Backs= TJ Yeldon, Toby Gerhart vs Murray, Olawale 

Advantage= Lean towards Raiders 

 

Tight End, Lewis, Thomas vs Smith, Walford, Rivera

Advantage= Push.

 

So again, you would take the Jags offense in 2015 with Carr vs 2016 Raiders? Nobody in their right mind would so that. Unbelievable Carr fanboy acting like he was the only reason we were successful that year

 

Pos Player  Age Yrs GS Summary of Player Stats Drafted (tm/rnd/yr)
  Offensive Starters          
QB Derek Carr* 25 2 15 357 for 560, 3,937 yards, 28 td, 6 int, & 39 rushes for 70 yards and 0 td Oakland Raiders / 2nd / 36th pick / 2014
RB Latavius Murray 26 3 12 195 rushes for 788 yards, 12 td, & 33 catches for 264 yards and 0 td Oakland Raiders / 6th / 181st pick / 2013
WR Amari Cooper* 22 1 14 83 catches for 1,153 yards, 5 td, & 1 rush for yards and 0 td Oakland Raiders / 1st / 4th pick / 2015
WR Michael Crabtree 29 7 16 89 catches for 1,003 yards, 8 td San Francisco 49ers / 1st / 10th pick / 2009
LT Donald Penn* 33 9 16    
LG Kelechi Osemele*+ 27 4 15   Baltimore Ravens / 2nd / 60th pick / 2012
C Rodney Hudson* 27 5 16   Kansas City Chiefs / 2nd / 55th pick / 2011
RG Gabe Jackson 25 2 16   Oakland Raiders / 3rd / 81st pick / 2014
RT Austin Howard 29 6 10

 

+Lee Smith, Clive Walford, Jamize Olawale , Mychal Rivera 

 

QB Blake Bortles 23 1 16 355 for 606, 4,428 yards, 35 td, 18 int, & 52 rushes for 310 yards and 2 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 3rd pick / 2014
RB T.J. Yeldon 22 Rook 12 182 rushes for 740 yards, 2 td, & 36 catches for 279 yards and 1 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 2nd / 36th pick / 2015
WR Allen Hurns 24 1 15 64 catches for 1,031 yards, 10 td  
WR Allen Robinson* 22 1 16 80 catches for 1,400 yards, 14 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 2nd / 61st pick / 2014
TE Marcedes Lewis 31 9 16 16 catches for 226 yards, 0 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 28th pick / 2006
TE Julius Thomas 27 4 11 46 catches for 455 yards, 5 td Denver Broncos / 4th / 129th pick / 2011
T Luke Joeckel 24 2 14   Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 2nd pick / 2013
T Jermey Parnell 29 4 15    
LG Zane Beadles 29 5 16 1 fumble recovered Denver Broncos / 2nd / 45th pick / 2010
C Stefen Wisniewski 26 4 16 1 fumble recovered Oakland Raiders / 2nd / 48th pick / 2011
RG A.J. Cann 24 Rook 13   Jacksonville Jaguars / 3rd / 67th pick / 2015

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