Jerry Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: **Moved From Draft thread*** Ooooook now you mean Julius Thomas..the other average tight end on the Jags that year. And I'm the one saying stupid stuff? 46 catches at 455 yards and 5 TDs is a fairly average season for a tight end. No way anyone would take the Jaguars offense in 2015 vs Raiders offense in 2016. Another ridiculous statement so let's take a look at it. Raiders 2016 Oline= Penn, Osemele and Hudson were all pro bowlers before coming to the Raiders and after too. Add in emerging Gabe Jackson. The one average players was Austin Howard, Watson Right Tackle combo Jags 2015 Oline= Joeckel, Cann, Beadles, Lil Wis, Parnell. Not one of the players would start for the Raiders in 2016. No pro bowlers, past or present Advantage= Raiders BIG TIME Cooper/Crabtree vs Robinson/Hurns = Both Cooper and Crabtree are better than Hurns. Cooper, Robinson and Crabtree were equal caliber players Advantage = Raiders Running Backs= TJ Yeldon, Toby Gerhart vs Murray, Olawale Advantage= Lean towards Raiders Tight End, Lewis, Thomas vs Smith, Walford, Rivera Advantage= Push. So again, you would take the Jags offense in 2015 with Carr vs 2016 Raiders? Nobody in their right mind would so that. Unbelievable Carr fanboy acting like he was the only reason we were successful that year Pos Player Age Yrs GS Summary of Player Stats Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) Offensive Starters QB Derek Carr* 25 2 15 357 for 560, 3,937 yards, 28 td, 6 int, & 39 rushes for 70 yards and 0 td Oakland Raiders / 2nd / 36th pick / 2014 RB Latavius Murray 26 3 12 195 rushes for 788 yards, 12 td, & 33 catches for 264 yards and 0 td Oakland Raiders / 6th / 181st pick / 2013 WR Amari Cooper* 22 1 14 83 catches for 1,153 yards, 5 td, & 1 rush for yards and 0 td Oakland Raiders / 1st / 4th pick / 2015 WR Michael Crabtree 29 7 16 89 catches for 1,003 yards, 8 td San Francisco 49ers / 1st / 10th pick / 2009 LT Donald Penn* 33 9 16 LG Kelechi Osemele*+ 27 4 15 Baltimore Ravens / 2nd / 60th pick / 2012 C Rodney Hudson* 27 5 16 Kansas City Chiefs / 2nd / 55th pick / 2011 RG Gabe Jackson 25 2 16 Oakland Raiders / 3rd / 81st pick / 2014 RT Austin Howard 29 6 10 +Lee Smith, Clive Walford, Jamize Olawale , Mychal Rivera QB Blake Bortles 23 1 16 355 for 606, 4,428 yards, 35 td, 18 int, & 52 rushes for 310 yards and 2 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 3rd pick / 2014 RB T.J. Yeldon 22 Rook 12 182 rushes for 740 yards, 2 td, & 36 catches for 279 yards and 1 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 2nd / 36th pick / 2015 WR Allen Hurns 24 1 15 64 catches for 1,031 yards, 10 td WR Allen Robinson* 22 1 16 80 catches for 1,400 yards, 14 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 2nd / 61st pick / 2014 TE Marcedes Lewis 31 9 16 16 catches for 226 yards, 0 td Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 28th pick / 2006 TE Julius Thomas 27 4 11 46 catches for 455 yards, 5 td Denver Broncos / 4th / 129th pick / 2011 T Luke Joeckel 24 2 14 Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 2nd pick / 2013 T Jermey Parnell 29 4 15 LG Zane Beadles 29 5 16 1 fumble recovered Denver Broncos / 2nd / 45th pick / 2010 C Stefen Wisniewski 26 4 16 1 fumble recovered Oakland Raiders / 2nd / 48th pick / 2011 RG A.J. Cann 24 Rook 13 Jacksonville Jaguars / 3rd / 67th pick / 2015 I said last years offense. You just argued something I wasn't even arguing to begin with. Compare the 2015 Jaguars to the 2018 Raiders. Way to waste your time. You even highlighted where I said last year lol. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jerry said: I said last years offense. You just argued something I wasn't even arguing to begin with. Compare the 2015 Jaguars to the 2018 Raiders. Way to waste your time. You even highlighted where I said last year lol. Pathetic. It's a dumb argument to begin with. Why are you even comparing the 2015 Jaguars offense to the Raiders offense of last year? Pretty random comparison if you ask me that doesn't really make sense. In the other thread, I stated plenty of average QBs have had standalone great seasons before and you literally wrote an entire paragraph trying to discredit each QB and to try to prop up Carr. You can literally find an excuse for Carr in any situation. That's a great talent to have, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: It's a dumb argument to begin with. Why are you even comparing the 2015 Jaguars offense to the Raiders offense of last year? Pretty random comparison if you ask me that doesn't really make sense. In the other thread, I stated plenty of average QBs have had standalone great seasons before and you literally wrote an entire paragraph trying to discredit each QB and to try to prop up Carr. You can literally find an excuse for Carr in any situation. That's a great talent to have, I guess. Because you were talking about other player's MVP caliber seasons and I was saying B. Bortles 2015 season wasn't MVP worthy. Then I went on to say Carr would've had a better season with that team than last year's Raiders team. That pretty much sums up this argument as of recently. And those seasons you listed weren't even that good. They were average with much better teams than what Carr has had other than 2016. I tried to say this before, I'm done with this conversation. If you don't like Carr then that's your opinion, I believe he's a great quarterback, that's my opinion. We really need to move on. He either stays and plays good or bad, or leaves and plays good or bad. Just like you ask me to place blame on him, make sure you place blame everywhere else it is warrented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Jerry said: Because you were talking about other player's MVP caliber seasons and I was saying B. Bortles 2015 season wasn't MVP worthy. Then I went on to say Carr would've had a better season with that team than last year's Raiders team. That pretty much sums up this argument as of recently. And those seasons you listed weren't even that good. They were average with much better teams than what Carr has had other than 2016. I tried to say this before, I'm done with this conversation. If you don't like Carr then that's your opinion, I believe he's a great quarterback, that's my opinion. We really need to move on. He either stays and plays good or bad, or leaves and plays good or bad. Just like you ask me to place blame on him, make sure you place blame everywhere else it is warrented. Leave it bro. The common denominator is that our franchise has been trash. People will find ways to scapegoat certain players, but I'm with you. We'll see this year. I have faith in our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: Leave it bro. The common denominator is that our franchise has been trash. People will find ways to scapegoat certain players, but I'm with you. We'll see this year. I have faith in our guy. It's in Gruden's hands now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 17 hours ago, Jerry said: Because you were talking about other player's MVP caliber seasons and I was saying B. Bortles 2015 season wasn't MVP worthy. Then I went on to say Carr would've had a better season with that team than last year's Raiders team. That pretty much sums up this argument as of recently. And those seasons you listed weren't even that good. They were average with much better teams than what Carr has had other than 2016. I tried to say this before, I'm done with this conversation. If you don't like Carr then that's your opinion, I believe he's a great quarterback, that's my opinion. We really need to move on. He either stays and plays good or bad, or leaves and plays good or bad. Just like you ask me to place blame on him, make sure you place blame everywhere else it is warrented. It made more sense to compare Bortles best year to Carr 16'to show the point that average QBs have contract career years. But you wanted to compare 2018 instead which makes no sense. All I hear is excuses Carr all the time on this forum. Is that what we are reduced to? Other teams in the NFL are ruthless, just look at KC. Teams that hang on to underwhelming QBs end up stinking again. It is sad to see Raider fans hanging on to an underwhelming QB performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 No way we are drafting a rookie QB who would take a year or even two to develop when we possibly trading for AB and signing LeVeon who probably have 3 years each of elite level production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justwinbaby81 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Apparently Rosen not on the trade block... Who else thinks we were the ones to say sht on Murray to have him fall to us at 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, justwinbaby81 said: Apparently Rosen not on the trade block... Who else thinks we were the ones to say sht on Murray to have him fall to us at 4? Don’t you put this evil on me Ricky Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I came in here to say I don't think we trade up to #1 to take Murray, but sadly could see us take him if he falls to us at #4. I think Mayock will be pounding the table for Williams, but Gruden will opt for Murray. (Please be wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Gruden and Cable should have nothing to do with the draft. Gruden can give him advice what players fit his offense but please let Mayock do everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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