Thaiphoon Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Makes no sense to move Rosen least of all for a 1 yr wonder in Kyler Murray. Once again what was the point of Hiring a HC if said HC/GM had no plan moving forward with Josh Rosen as thier QBOTF? This occured way before Murray declared. Biggest Smoke Screen in the history of Smoke Screens to drum up intrest for the #1 pick. Otherwise Keim should be fired on the spot if he trades Rosen for anything less then a 1st. Let's stop acting like Rosen is the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf , Jamarcuss Russell because he's the only Rookie in NFL history to struggle on a pi$$ poor team in his 1st season.🙄 Start thinking more Jared Goff and hope to God, Kingsbury can actually coach at the NFL level. That's truly the bigger question. See...here we agree. I don't think the Cards move on from him. I think they keep him. But that wasn't what the thread was about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Biggest Smoke Screen in the history of Smoke Screens to drum up intrest for the #1 pick. Otherwise Keim should be fired on the spot if he trades Rosen for anything less then a 1st. I don't get this. How would making everyone believe you have already decided who you are taking at #1 draw interest for teams at #1? For #2 maybe. The best way to get teams interested in the #1 pick is to say you are willing to trade it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Thaiphoon said: The #15 pick is worth more to me than Rosen +3rd. Remember, he's also already burned one of the crucial cheap rookie years. So that needs to be factored in as well. I've laid out my reasons why a 1st should not be given for him (even with another pick thrown in) because to me you're trading a 1st for a 2nd and 3rd rounder. As for bolded, that's your choice. I could've also paid the asking price of the house but I didn't. Because I knew they needed to move on. And most GMs know this when it comes to Rosen. So IMHO, anyone giving up a 1st has no business being an NFL GM or negotiating anything when they have the advantage (which every other team will have if the Cards need to move on). Or you’re trading a 1st for a franchise quarterback. Depends how that team has him graded. From your perspective he’s not worth it. As for the “smokescreen” I think there’s a difference between team smoke and media smoke. This entire thing started based on pregame comments from October that were plastered across ESPN/FS1. The Cards can’t control that. We don’t know what GM’s are telling eachother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/04/latest-on-josh-rosen-market-redskins-dolphins-chargers-patriots-giants Quote Washington has checked in but will not offer its No. 15 overall pick for Rosen. Even the Redskins’ second-round pick (No. 46) may be too rich of an asking price for the Cardinals, with King adding it’s possible Washington’s top third-round choice (No. 76) may be enough to pry away the 22-year-old passer. The Redskins were the first team connected to Rosen, but they then traded for Case Keenum, complicating their interest. However, the $6.24MM left through 2021 on Rosen’s contract would make sense for the Redskins, who have Alex Smith‘s lofty cap hits on their books through 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 According to Mike Garafolo of NFL Network, Washington is “not actively chasing” Rosen at the moment, which likely means unlikely to pay what the Cardinals are asking for him (if of course they’re asking for anything at all). Washington has basically brought in most of the valid rookie quarterback options for visits (other than Kyler Murray), so the clear preference at the moment is to find someone in the draft. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/10/washington-not-actively-chasing-josh-rosen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannzee Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I don’t think we will see him moved until the draft but unless a team is really hot for him, I think we will see him dealt for a mid-second rounder with a high second being the best case scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 If the Cardinals select Kyler Murray with the first overall pick, that obviously means they believe Murray is their quarterback of the future, and Rosen is not. Which would presumably put Rosen on the trade block, where there’s no way the Cardinals would get back the value of picks they traded away for him last year. Peter King suggests today that the Cardinals may settle for a third-round pick for Rosen, perhaps No. 78 overall from the Dolphins. Having to settle for just a third after spending a first, a third and a fifth on him last year would not reflect well on Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim’s decision-making. However, a previous report from Joel Klatt of FOX said that the Cardinals have already turned down a second-round pick and are holding out for a first. If that’s the case, there’s no way they’ll take a third. The best option for the Cardinals, assuming they take Murray may be just to keep Rosen as Murray’s backup. He’s due only $6.19 million over the next three years, which makes him cheap by backup quarterback standards. And it would be easier for Keim to spin his decision as, “Now we’ve got two talented young quarterbacks” than, “Last year I traded away a one, a three and a 5, and this year I’m getting only a three back.” Rosen and Murray may just be teammates this year. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/22/if-cardinals-trade-josh-rosen-what-can-they-get/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Redskins would be foolish not to trade their second round pick if that's all it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, vike daddy said: If the Cardinals select Kyler Murray with the first overall pick, that obviously means they believe Murray is their quarterback of the future, and Rosen is not. Which would presumably put Rosen on the trade block, where there’s no way the Cardinals would get back the value of picks they traded away for him last year. Peter King suggests today that the Cardinals may settle for a third-round pick for Rosen, perhaps No. 78 overall from the Dolphins. Having to settle for just a third after spending a first, a third and a fifth on him last year would not reflect well on Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim’s decision-making. However, a previous report from Joel Klatt of FOX said that the Cardinals have already turned down a second-round pick and are holding out for a first. If that’s the case, there’s no way they’ll take a third. The best option for the Cardinals, assuming they take Murray may be just to keep Rosen as Murray’s backup. He’s due only $6.19 million over the next three years, which makes him cheap by backup quarterback standards. And it would be easier for Keim to spin his decision as, “Now we’ve got two talented young quarterbacks” than, “Last year I traded away a one, a three and a 5, and this year I’m getting only a three back.” Rosen and Murray may just be teammates this year. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/22/if-cardinals-trade-josh-rosen-what-can-they-get/ If that's the case you'll get nothing for Rosen and you're just doing it to save face. There's no way they go into the season with both Murray and Rosen on the roster. You're denying your team value just to keep up appearances. If Murray is here, then Rosen has no opportunity to increase his trade value. It'll only go down more over time. Like fruit thats been sitting out over time. I mean hell, it already looks bad if you're going to be (I think) the first team to draft QB's in the first in back to back seasons ever... Edited April 22, 2019 by Danger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 19 hours ago, Danger said: If that's the case you'll get nothing for Rosen and you're just doing it to save face. There's no way they go into the season with both Murray and Rosen on the roster. You're denying your team value just to keep up appearances. If Murray is here, then Rosen has no opportunity to increase his trade value. It'll only go down more over time. Like fruit thats been sitting out over time. I mean hell, it already looks bad if you're going to be (I think) the first team to draft QB's in the first in back to back seasons ever... It only looks bad if Kyler doesn’t become a better QB, which I think Kyler will be by a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I honestly don't know the strategy of holding on to Rosen, till draft day if they plan on taking Murray @#1. They can't keep both, so just forget about that. If this all was a smokescreen, than I understand. They were never going to trade him. My only theory is, they want to use him to move up the draft board. Like from #33 to into the first round to get a player they want. They would have to wait for this scenario to play out during draft, before dealing with said team. But this is very risky with 4 QBs projected to go first Rd, if the cards want max value for him. The longer they wait, the less return they will get. My prediction: IF....the Cardinals are in fact trading Rosen, to draft Murray? It will happen or be reported right before the Cardinals are on the clock. If Rosen isn't traded once the ticker begins? Then either their not drafting Murray #1, or some team is trading up to #1, cause Arizona would be keeping Rosen. But yes, again. If Rosen is dealt, it will be before their on the clock. Rosen will NOT be traded during the draft in progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Former NFL receiver Antonio Bryant has been banging the drum over the past day regarding the first overall pick in the draft. Specifically, Bryant insists that the Cardinals won’t take quarterback Kyler Murray, but that they’ll instead select defensive end Nick Bosa. On Monday, Bryant said that he’s “hearing from people in the Cardinals organization” that Bosa sits at No. 1 on the Arizona board, and that the team will stick with Rosen at quarterback. Tuesday morning, Bryant doubled down. Bryant: “I’m telling you I trust my source, this ain’t no smokescreen. The Cardinals are going to draft Nick Bosa 1st overall. Just wait on it.” https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/23/antonio-bryant-doubles-down-on-claim-cards-will-pass-on-kyler-murray/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan2K19 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Don’t know if you guys seen this but Schefter said that the Giants, Dolphins and Chargers are the front runners for Rosen https://www.bigplay.com/giants-dolphins-chargers-reportedly-the-front-runners-for-josh-rosen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 If I were to guess, I'd think the Chargers are considering 1.28, while NYG is trying to get Rosen for 2.6 plus change. Nothing but a hunch there. Obviously ARI is hoping they can get WAS/MIA to trade their 1st, so it's a game of chicken, which should end by Thursday night. And mercifully so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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