AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Ketchup said: Players routinely get paid on future expectations. The expectations are high. He had very very good pressure numbers. Look, if it was any other team, I’d be skeptical so I get it. We're all telling you what's gonna happen. This same exact signing has happened so many times in the past for the Ravens it's not even funny. We had a running joke all year that he was just a 3rd round comp pick waiting to happen. Maybe this guy will buck the trend, but it's not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iothar Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Ketchup said: Players routinely get paid on future expectations. The expectations are high. He had very very good pressure numbers. Look, if it was any other team, I’d be skeptical so I get it. I get that. Don't come at me with combine numbers to disprove he isn't explosive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfTheNorth Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, iothar said: Yeah howd he do at a media event versus how he performs? Stop it. Facts are he had one season that was good and got paid as if it was the norm. Very typical for ravens players, so much so that espn is saying the same thing *gasp* Not disputing your opinion on Smith. Just your assertion that opinion trumps facts. You think Smith is less explosive? Awesome, show me some facts to back it up. At least Arthur presented facts in this argument. All you did was be a smart *** and claim a fans opinion means more than facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: We're all telling you what's gonna happen. This same exact signing has happened so many times in the past for the Ravens it's not even funny. We had a running joke all year that he was just a 3rd round comp pick waiting to happen. Maybe this guy will buck the trend, but it's not likely. i actually think he has a longer/more successful career elsewhere than guys like kruger/mcphee. but the guy trying to argue he's more explosive than mcphee by using combine numbers is just nutty lol what's the angle here man you're not going to convince anyone who actually watched them for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This is the kind of contract and signing that scares the Packers out of FA in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, iothar said: I get that. Don't come at me with combine numbers to disprove he isn't explosive. I didn’t come at you with anything. I was responding to your one specific post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: We're all telling you what's gonna happen. This same exact signing has happened so many times in the past for the Ravens it's not even funny. We had a running joke all year that he was just a 3rd round comp pick waiting to happen. Maybe this guy will buck the trend, but it's not likely. meh With all due respect, I'm really not all that concerned about what you guys think or say about Smith. And here's why: Milt Hendrickson was a national scout for the Ozzie- Ravens, worked there for 10 years and is well-regarded around the league. He joined his old friend Brian Gutekunst in December, leaving the Ravens for a promotion in Green Bay. He knows everything there is to know about ZaDarius Smith. Hendrickson was also part of the crew that drafted him. And then the Packers went after Z. Smith and got him in the opening days of FA. That's telling. We'll see how it turns out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: meh With all due respect, I'm really not all that concerned about what you guys think or say about Smith. And here's why: Milt Hendrickson was a national scout for the Ozzie- Ravens, worked there for 10 years and is well-regarded around the league. He joined his old friend Brian Gutekunst in December, leaving the Ravens for a promotion in Green Bay. He knows everything there is to know about ZaDarius Smith. Hendrickson was also part of the crew that drafted him. And then the Packers went after Z. Smith and got him in the opening days of FA. That's telling. We'll see how it turns out All I'm saying is we've seen this exact narrative play out so many times. I don't blame you for thinking this'll be different, but the dude has had literally one good season - in a contract year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: the dude has had literally one good season - in a contract year. That's a popular but often mistaken thought process on message boards. In some cases that matters, but for most it doesn't. And here's why: Rookies take time to become players in the NFL. Most have 4 year contracts and should be hitting their prime in their 3rd and 4th year. That's why the NFLPA fought for that cut-off on behalf of their membership, so the players could get max value out of their 2nd deals The ideal scenario is pretty much what happened with Z. SMith: He was drafted by a good front office that values development. He played on STs and defense early in his career. As a pass rusher, he was part of a talented trio - keeping everybody fresh and learning the ropes from T.Suggs and others. His 3rd/4th years should be his best. That's the way the system is set up. So when fans bellow that "he only had one good season ! ", its just not very meaningful. What if he didn't have a good year when it mattered most ? Would that make him more attractive ? 1) Z. Smith has only missed 6 games in 4 seasons 2) He was buried on the depth chart by an outstanding player ( T. Suggs) in front of him in BAL 3) His play time on ST's went down while his play time on defense shot up by nearly 50% in 2018. That accounts for the uptick in performance / results 4) Per public comments, his own team wanted to have him back- but were concerned about his burgeoning value on the open market. ( they were right) 5) A national scout who was with him for 4 years vouched for Z. Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Shanedorf said: 4) Per public comments, his own team wanted to have him back- but were concerned about his burgeoning value on the open market. ( they were right) There was no indication of effort on the part of the Ravens towards keeping him. Strong contrast to Mosley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damikeeeee Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Kudos GB. My early favorite for worst contract. Followed by Preston Smith. I don't count the Bills overpay they don't have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I wanted Smith for Oakland. Maybe not at this price, but hey it's not like we're swimming in young edge rushers either. I'll be intrigued with what GB does in the draft. Devin white seems like a great fit. Maybe Metcalf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 21 hours ago, BayRaider said: Green Bay has to be the new Super Bowl favorite. Amos, Za’Darius Smith, and Preston Smith? And two first rounders? Solid Green Bay FO. Ted Thompson could care less about winning. Ted Thompson retired and is living in Texas now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Good god: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, RaidersAreOne said: Good god: lmfaoooooo he robbed them blind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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