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Now that the early days of free agency are over and Bob Quinn has dropped a couple bucks, I thought I'd take another look at doing a mock.

I'm going to add in the free agent signings that we've made and a couple that could happen. We all know some of the cuts like TJ Lang, so I probably won't get into that.

FREE AGENTS

Trey Flowers, DE

Danny Amendola, WR

Jesse James, TE

Justin Coleman, CB

Andrew Adams, FS

Isaiah Crowell, RB

CUTS/TRADES

Theo Riddick - Carries a big cap hit. Could be a trade candidate but I don't see a team trading for an older guy with his salary despite his production

Trade #8 to Miami for #13, 2019 2 and 2020 2nd: Dolphins are looking to move on from Tannehill and draft their QB in Drew Lock (or Haskins if he slips if the Giants make a trade for Rosen)

1) Jonah Williams, G/T, Alabama: Williams slides a bit thanks to his somewhat shorter arms. Despite a highly productive career at tackle a number of teams think he should become a guard. We have a huge hole at RG and a future vacancy at RT next season (as Wagner is likely to not be back). Decker will also be in a contract year next season. This addresses an immediate need while giving us insurance for the future

2) Irv Smith, TE, Alabama: Undersized but athletic TE. He'll pair well with our more traditional blocking TE Jesse James as a 1-2 punch.

2) Jaylon Ferguson, Edge, La. Tech: Ferguson has played snaps on both the right and left side on the line. He was highly productive as the NCAA sacks leader. There are questions on his run blocking which is why I think he could drop a bit. However, we have elite talent in Snacks and Flowers against the run. Ferguson should have an immediate impact on the defense, even if he is used primarily as a pass rushing specialist to begin with.

3) Zach Allen, DL, Boston College: There is familiarity with Pasqualoni coming from BC. Allen has a lot of the same versatility with less than elite athletic talents, similar to Trey Flowers. Allen could come in and make a guy like A'Shawn Robinson (who is rumoured to not want to come back next season) a trade piece.

4) Foster Moreau, TE, LSU: Used primarily as a blocker at LSU he displayed unexpected athleticism at the combine. There are some comparisons to a Jason Witten out there. He's a solid blocker and is likely going to need time to develop. His immediate impact will be as a blocker in the run game while he develops his skills as a receiver.

5) Blake Cashman, OLB, Minnesota: Third most athletic LB at the combine

6) Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor: Converted RB. Great size and highly athletic but is still a work in process. His upside could be huge if he is able to put it all together

6) Tony Pollard, RB, Memphis: Potential replacement for Riddick. Has decent size at 5'11 and 210 lbs. Averaged 6.8 YPC but his value is as a receiver - 104 receptions for nearly 1300 yards. Looks like he's more effective as a runner than Riddick but can also be split out as a WR

7) Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison: On the smaller side but was highly productive with great athleticism and awareness. Best suited as a slot corner

7) Jordan Ta'Amu, QB, Ole Miss: Developmental QB with potential

 

 

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I don't see the point in cutting Riddick.  He isn't old (27) and his cap hit is not huge.  He plays a solid role for this team and don't see why we cut him unless we need cap space, which we won't to add the couple guys you have here.

I am so so on Crowell.  I think he is an upgrade to Zenner but needs to come cheap enough (3 a year or less).  He isn't the talent level of Ingram/Coleman so should be in that range.  I think given your draft I would rather keep Riddick and draft Pollard. 

I'm not big on drafting a guard at 8 but if they think he can move outside I'd be ok with it.  I'd still rather go D Line early. I want our D to be top notch.  The offense will be good enough IMO if they put together a real gameplan instead of what JBC called last year. I like the edge guys you drafted later though so I could be ok with this as our draft.  I like Irv/TE in the second.  I think Moreau is a slightly wasted pick with us signing James and drafting Irv.  I would add a CB/S in that round instead. 

Overall I would not be mad at this.  Solid job.

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18 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I don't see the point in cutting Riddick.  He isn't old (27) and his cap hit is not huge.  He plays a solid role for this team and don't see why we cut him unless we need cap space, which we won't to add the couple guys you have here.

I am so so on Crowell.  I think he is an upgrade to Zenner but needs to come cheap enough (3 a year or less).  He isn't the talent level of Ingram/Coleman so should be in that range.  I think given your draft I would rather keep Riddick and draft Pollard. 

I'm not big on drafting a guard at 8 but if they think he can move outside I'd be ok with it.  I'd still rather go D Line early. I want our D to be top notch.  The offense will be good enough IMO if they put together a real gameplan instead of what JBC called last year. I like the edge guys you drafted later though so I could be ok with this as our draft.  I like Irv/TE in the second.  I think Moreau is a slightly wasted pick with us signing James and drafting Irv.  I would add a CB/S in that round instead. 

Overall I would not be mad at this.  Solid job.

Riddick: His cap hit is around $4M, which isn't tiny but it's manageable. I just don't see a role for him in the offense and I don't know if we could trade him (if we do, it wouldn't be for much). He's limited as a runner and he does tend to project it's a passing play when he's in the game. Pollard is a younger, cheaper option and I think he's a more effective runner. KJ, Zenner, Crowell, Pollard + Bawden, Riddick seems like he could be squeezed out.

OG Jonah: I traded to #13 (moved with Miami) and took Williams there.

Irv/Foster: IS is 6'2, 240 lbs and runs a 4.63 40. He's regularly spoken about as a top 3 TE and maybe I'll be wrong on this but I do question if he'll wind up being a decent player. I have concerns he could bust. I am very high on Moreau but you can't rely on a guy who is a raw receiving prospect to be your #1 or #2 guy. I think he could be on par with a guy like Hockenson in 2-3 years. He has the blocking down and has been a bit of a surprise at the combine in the measurements and drills. With an offense that is TE heavy and emphasizes the run, we could do worse with a #3 TE imo.

Thanks for the feedback

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I think if we sign Crowell, Zenner is the odd man out.  he is the least effective of the bunch and his hit for this year wouldn't be worth keeping as a third/4th RB.  Riddick offers something outside of just being a runner.  I'd rather keep him until we need to cut him as he has shown he can be plenty valuable if utilized properly. 

I did see the trade, just didn't register when typing.  I think its better at 13 than 8 but still skeptical.  We have invested a lot into the O line, I want some young blood on the D-Line/Edge.  Guards are cheaper to find than DE's, so give me a DE and sign a G. 

I get it, but I am ok with Roberts as our 3rd TE.  I guess I don't know enough about Moreau to like him that much but I think a trio of James, Smith, and Roberts is a huge upgrade to last year and would prefer to see some resources spent on the defensive backfield.

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57 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I don't see the point in cutting Riddick.  He isn't old (27) and his cap hit is not huge.  He plays a solid role for this team and don't see why we cut him unless we need cap space, which we won't to add the couple guys you have here.

I am so so on Crowell.  I think he is an upgrade to Zenner but needs to come cheap enough (3 a year or less).  He isn't the talent level of Ingram/Coleman so should be in that range.  I think given your draft I would rather keep Riddick and draft Pollard. 

I'm not big on drafting a guard at 8 but if they think he can move outside I'd be ok with it.  I'd still rather go D Line early. I want our D to be top notch.  The offense will be good enough IMO if they put together a real gameplan instead of what JBC called last year. I like the edge guys you drafted later though so I could be ok with this as our draft.  I like Irv/TE in the second.  I think Moreau is a slightly wasted pick with us signing James and drafting Irv.  I would add a CB/S in that round instead. 

Overall I would not be mad at this.  Solid job.

Idk if I can agree anymore on this! I just can't see KJ,Riddick,Zenner  as the three set backs...just seems like we still need a bruiser for the 2-4 yard punches

 

edit: Just don't want to really over work KJ either in his second year injures are scary

Edited by MortexLion

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7 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I think if we sign Crowell, Zenner is the odd man out.  he is the least effective of the bunch and his hit for this year wouldn't be worth keeping as a third/4th RB.  Riddick offers something outside of just being a runner.  I'd rather keep him until we need to cut him as he has shown he can be plenty valuable if utilized properly. 

I did see the trade, just didn't register when typing.  I think its better at 13 than 8 but still skeptical.  We have invested a lot into the O line, I want some young blood on the D-Line/Edge.  Guards are cheaper to find than DE's, so give me a DE and sign a G. 

I get it, but I am ok with Roberts as our 3rd TE.  I guess I don't know enough about Moreau to like him that much but I think a trio of James, Smith, and Roberts is a huge upgrade to last year and would prefer to see some resources spent on the defensive backfield.

I don't think you're wrong on the Crowell/Zenner thing. We just re-signed him and he's on a $1M deal as opposed to a $4M deal... but I agree with you that Riddick does bring more in what he does as a receiver.

@IDOG_det laid out the defensive line alignment well in another thread. To his point, there are other positions with larger holes and opportunities for new players than on the DL. I'm more comfortable with Okawara backing up Flowers than him being relied upon opposite of him. Same goes for Robinson backing up Flowers. I wouldn't hate finding a penetrating DT to take over for Hand although he's been a solid find for us.

I would probably keep Ferguson in his spot and swap out Allen for a CB if I had to redo this.

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I don't think money means much right now.  We still have 30M in cap space, and I just don't see us making cuts for guys who can be productive. 

I am fine with getting a penetrating DT or 3/4 DE type like Oliver or Gary.  Oliver has been my first choice for a while (Assuming the top 3 DL/Edge are gone).  I just want D Lineman.  We need to build up the D LIne to make the defense as a whole work IMO.  Yes there are some other holes that may be more pressing, but as far as value/price/ease of finding someone respectable, D LIne is my first choice.

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9 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I don't think money means much right now.  We still have 30M in cap space, and I just don't see us making cuts for guys who can be productive. 

I am fine with getting a penetrating DT or 3/4 DE type like Oliver or Gary.  Oliver has been my first choice for a while (Assuming the top 3 DL/Edge are gone).  I just want D Lineman.  We need to build up the D LIne to make the defense as a whole work IMO.  Yes there are some other holes that may be more pressing, but as far as value/price/ease of finding someone respectable, D LIne is my first choice.

As idog put it,

DE: Flowers, Okawara

NT: Harrison, Robinson

DL: Hand, (someone that I'm missing here)

Jack: Kennard

MLB: Davis

WLB: Jones

The only two guys that are absolute locks are Flowers and Harrison. However, Robinson and Hand have also been very good. For our "front 7 (really 6 guys here)", the weakest player in the group is Christian Jones. However, he (idog) also mentioned that the WLB is the least important position. I like Devin White and Devin Bush but wonder whether they'd be worth it at pick #8. I don't know if Davis would be an improvement over Christian Jones at the WLB spot and if White or Bush would be enough of an upgrade to warrant the pick.

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18 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

As idog put it,

DE: Flowers, Okawara

NT: Harrison, Robinson

DL: Hand, (someone that I'm missing here)

Jack: Kennard

MLB: Davis

WLB: Jones

The only two guys that are absolute locks are Flowers and Harrison. However, Robinson and Hand have also been very good. For our "front 7 (really 6 guys here)", the weakest player in the group is Christian Jones. However, he (idog) also mentioned that the WLB is the least important position. I like Devin White and Devin Bush but wonder whether they'd be worth it at pick #8. I don't know if Davis would be an improvement over Christian Jones at the WLB spot and if White or Bush would be enough of an upgrade to warrant the pick.

Wouldn't this make the jack one of the more important 

You can move flowers around he's pretty versatile imo.. this alignment you have is just one look.. shouldn't stop from finding a de/edge especially this yr 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Rockcity2 said:

Wouldn't this make the jack one of the more important 

You can move flowers around he's pretty versatile imo.. this alignment you have is just one look.. shouldn't stop from finding a de/edge especially this yr 

 

 

Yes, you're right - I missed that one.

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57 minutes ago, Rockcity2 said:

Wouldn't this make the jack one of the more important 

You can move flowers around he's pretty versatile imo.. this alignment you have is just one look.. shouldn't stop from finding a de/edge especially this yr 

 

 

Agreed that you can move Flowers around. However if we're looking at these different alignments - Corner really is a glaring hole.

4-3 with 4 Man Front

DE- Flowers

DT - Harrison

DT - Robinson

DE - Okawara

SLB - Kennard

MLB - Davis

WLB - Jones

CB - Slay

CB - (Maybe Coleman could play here?)

FS - Walker

SS - Diggs

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3 Man Front, 3 CB's

DE- Flowers

DT - Harrison

DL - Hand

Jack - Kennard

MLB - Davis

WLB - Jones

CB - Slay

CB - Coleman

CB -

FS - Walker

SS - Diggs

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3 Man Front, 3 S's

DE- Flowers

DT - Harrison

DL - Hand

Jack - Kennard

MLB - Davis

WLB - Jones

CB - Slay

CB -

S -Coleman

FS - Walker

SS - Diggs

 

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Doing a FF Mock where every subforum chooses a guy. Putting you guys on the clock. So far its

1) Kyler Murray

2) Nick Bosa

3) Josh Allen

4) Quinnen Williams

5) Devin White

6) Dwayne Haskins

7) Jawaan Taylor

@Sllim Pickens

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9 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

Doing a FF Mock where every subforum chooses a guy. Putting you guys on the clock. So far its

1) Kyler Murray

2) Nick Bosa

3) Josh Allen

4) Quinnen Williams

5) Devin White

6) Dwayne Haskins

7) Jawaan Taylor

@Sllim Pickens

Jonah Williams, OG/OT, Alabama

Defensive line is a popular pick but I don't see where they would play in a starting role now that Flowers is on board. Gaping hole at RG now and RT is likely a major need next year anyway. If he turns out to be 80% of Quenton Nelson, I'll be thrilled.

Also - I'd vote to trade down if that is an option.

Edited by Karnage84

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