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23 hours ago, Cheech said:

I just wanted to check out where the depth chart was at in order to predict what might still happen in UFA and how that might impact the draft.  The guys that are bolded I wouldn't bat an eye if they were on the final 53.  The rest are guys gunning for a few spots.  Right now I have 44 that I would start the season with.  Of course, nothing is given.  Williams could be cut tomorrow if they find a FS replacement.  Lewis is no sure thing to make the final 53.  I still find it interesting, though, that with 10 draft picks in hand, this roster is very close to being balanced and a roster with very few glaring holes.  

I could easily see another safety added as well as (hopefully) Breeland at CB.  I'd take Matthews back for ILB/EDGE depth in a heartbeat.  I love how the moves made on Tuesday have opened the draft up substantially.  I still hope that we can get an EDGE, TE, and S in the first 3 picks - just because it seems like the talent is there in the top 50.  But now I really wouldn't be terribly upset if CB, DL, or OT taken on Day 1 or 2 either.  

 

Offense: 22

QB: Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle

WR: Adams, Allison, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, Moore, Davis, Lazard

TE: Graham, Lewis, Tonyan, Draft pick

RB: Jones, Williams, Vitale, Draft pickCarson, Bibs

OT: DB, Bulaga, Spriggs, Light, Draft pick

IOL: Taylor, Linsley, Turner, McCrayDraft pick, Patrick, Pankey, Sarigusa

 

Defense: 19

IDL: Clark, Daniels, Lowry, Lancaster, Adams, Looney, Simon

EDGE: Smith, Smith, Fackrell, Draft pick, Draft pick, Gilbert, Brown, Donnerson

ILB: Martinez, Burks, Crawford, Draft pick

CB: Alexander, King, Jackson, Brown, Draft pick, Jamerson, Redmond

S: Amos, Williams, J Jones, Greene, Draft pick, Draft pick

 

ST: Scott, Crosby, Bradley  (3)

 

Nice work, Thanks!

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Whether you agree with the price we paid or not it's pretty cool to have improved without a doubt at both edge positions and safety without even having the draft yet.

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“I think in Matt’s system, a lot of the outside zone stuff requires those guys to be a little bit more athletic, get off the spot a little bit more,” Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said

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"I think what we want to do is we really want to assemble our offense through the running game." - LaFleur

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On whether there’s anything he’s looking for specifically in offensive linemen to match his running scheme: “Certainly there’s a movement skill you’re looking for from those guys up front to implement that outside zone scheme." - LaFleur

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“What we want to do is assemble or offense through the running game. It think it takes a lot of pressure off the quarterback,” the new Packers coach said Wednesday.

“We want to have plays that start off looking the same, that are different.”

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“(The outside zone) basically sets up everything,” said Adam Stenavich, LaFleur’s offensive line coach and a Shanahan assistant with the San Francisco 49ers the last two years. “All the different blocking combinations and schemes, everything is tied into it. If you can make that go, then everything else opens up off of it.”

Just a collection of quotes from the Packers staff about the offensive line. The common theme is "movement" and "athleticism".

I looked at the combine/proday measurements of all our interior OL. Pankey and Siragusa were overall the best ones. Turner surprisingly didn't have the best 3-cone and shuttle but his size and straight line speed is legit. Patrick is fairly athletic. Lane Taylor and Justin McCray were the worst athletically and they are our current "starters". Our starting guards does not match what the Packers staff are saying about the OL. That for me and coupled with the signing of Turner is a big clue to what they may think of Taylor and McCray.

Whats interesting to note is that Taylor, Pankey, Siragusa and Patrick main position is left guard. So we have lots of competition there. I know everyone is ready to annoint Turner as right guard but his best NFL performances has come at left guard - maybe we haven't found our new right guard just quite yet.

I think it is unrealistic to expect LaFleur to keep the exact same offensive starters as last year and for them to continue being our starters in the new offence. That's just simply not going to happen. LaFleur is going to mold the offence in his image with a strong emphasis on the OL and running game. In my opinion I think we will have completely new guards in both spots- Lane Taylor and McCray will be relegated/cut. There's a chance we will have a brand new #2 WR.  We may have a new fullback. LaFleur is going to prioritise the run game too but there's a chance he doesn't love Jones and Williams as much as we do and may want to draft his own RB. I expect our offence to look fairly different next season - especially on the OL at least.

Just on the off chance I had a look at Quinton Spain, an OL who LaFleur had last year who is currently a FA. He would be an upgrade over nearly all of our guards from a measurement standpoint. Experience-wise he has played 50 games, starting 48 of them at left guard. His downside is his lack of versatility which probably why we chose to sign Turner, maybe we can still land him at a much discounted price later on in free agency.

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I'm going to spitball here so bear with me. Also, this is my take on where the 90 going into camp will sorta look like...

Offense: 22

QB: Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle, UDFA

RB: Jones, Williams, Vitale, Carson, Bibs, Coleman, Johnson, UDFA, UDFA

WR: Adams, Allison, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, Moore, Davis, Lazard, Redding, Draft Pick(slot),  UDFA, UDFA

TE: Graham, Lewis, Tonyan, Draft pick, Baylis

OT: DB, Bulaga, Spriggs, LightDraft pick, de Beer, UDFA, UDFA

IOL: Taylor, Linsley, Turner, McCrayPatrick, Coyle, Pankey(swing guy), Siragusa, Draft Pick, UDFA, UDFA, UDFA

 

Defense: 19

IDL: Clark, Daniels, Lowry, Lancaster, Adams, Draft Pick, Looney, Simon, Fadol Brown, Cotton, UDFA

EDGE: Smith, Smith, Fackrell, Draft pick, Draft pick, GilbertBrown, Donnerson, Sheldon, UDFA, UDFA

ILB: Martinez, Burks, Crawford, Draft pick, CMIII(rotates to EDGE) UDFA, UDFA

CB: Alexander, King, Jackson, Brown, Draft pick, Jamerson, Redmond, UDFA, UDFA, UDFA

S: Amos, Williams, J Jones, Greene, Draft pick, Draft pick, Tray Matthews, Thompson, Pleasant, UDFA, UDFA, UDFA

 

ST: Scott, Crosby, Bradley  (3)

Edited by Joe
Removing Jake Ryan

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5 hours ago, Chili said:

Whats interesting to note is that Taylor, Pankey, Siragusa and Patrick main position is left guard. So we have lots of competition there. I know everyone is ready to annoint Turner as right guard but his best NFL performances has come at left guard - maybe we haven't found our new right guard just quite yet.

I think it is unrealistic to expect LaFleur to keep the exact same offensive starters as last year and for them to continue being our starters in the new offence. That's just simply not going to happen. LaFleur is going to mold the offence in his image with a strong emphasis on the OL and running game. In my opinion I think we will have completely new guards in both spots- Lane Taylor and McCray will be relegated/cut. There's a chance we will have a brand new #2 WR.  We may have a new fullback. LaFleur is going to prioritise the run game too but there's a chance he doesn't love Jones and Williams as much as we do and may want to draft his own RB. I expect our offence to look fairly different next season - especially on the OL at least.

Just on the off chance I had a look at Quinton Spain, an OL who LaFleur had last year who is currently a FA. He would be an upgrade over nearly all of our guards from a measurement standpoint. Experience-wise he has played 50 games, starting 48 of them at left guard. His downside is his lack of versatility which probably why we chose to sign Turner, maybe we can still land him at a much discounted price later on in free agency.

Perhaps Taylor moves to RG? I remember we flipped Sitton and Lang one year and that seemed to work well for the most part. The fact that Spain hasn't been signed is very telling IMHO. Something tells me that we hit this area hard Day 3. If we DO go ahead and employ a FB role, perhaps Irv Smith Jr. may be an early selection given his experience as an H-Back; he and Ingold have similar numbers from the combine though Smith is a tick faster in the 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle and blows Ingold away in the 40. Wouldn't mind having both players, however.

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On 3/15/2019 at 12:57 AM, smetana34 said:

Three? There isn't even a clear path to playing time for one guy, let alone three. The turner signing means there isn't a starting role, and with Spriggs still the swing tackle, I'll be pissed if we spend three picks on the line when we have numerous holes elsewhere

Is another WR a better use for Round 7?  I just want depth in an area that seems injury riddled every year...   Plus, maybe a little competition.   Maybe two... I could live with two.  ;-)

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1 hour ago, Starchisaga said:

Is another WR a better use for Round 7?  I just want depth in an area that seems injury riddled every year...   Plus, maybe a little competition.   Maybe two... I could live with two.  ;-)

We have holes at safety and te, and need depth realistically everywhere. Im on board with an early pick at OL. But three would be excessive with our needs elsewhere 

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