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On 3/24/2019 at 8:04 AM, buno67 said:

I am not a fan of drafting a guy high, who will sit for the year. Maybe last year they could get away with having a guy develop/recover but the way Dorsey is approaching this season, he wants the coaches to have as much ammo to do as much damage as possible on both sides of the ball. So makes me believe they want a guy who can play right away

I think you could be right in how Dorsey is thinking, but I still disagree with it.
When you are drafting, you should draft for talent and ways to make your team better.
I know everyone wants to win everything next year but I would not want to have a lesser player in 2 years because we were impatient.

If Simmons is there in the second round, a top 10 player and at a position that we have a stop gap on but need a long term answer for, I am taking him in a heartbeat...

Richardson is paid a lot of money and we have an out after a year and 2 years.  Simmons in the second would be a steal and a dominant force for us for years.

I want to win but I'm not willing to sacrifice talent because of impatience...

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44 minutes ago, CBrownsman said:

I think you could be right in how Dorsey is thinking, but I still disagree with it.
When you are drafting, you should draft for talent and ways to make your team better.
I know everyone wants to win everything next year but I would not want to have a lesser player in 2 years because we were impatient.

If Simmons is there in the second round, a top 10 player and at a position that we have a stop gap on but need a long term answer for, I am taking him in a heartbeat...

Richardson is paid a lot of money and we have an out after a year and 2 years.  Simmons in the second would be a steal and a dominant force for us for years.

I want to win but I'm not willing to sacrifice talent because of impatience...

 But I truly think Simmons has lost potential because of that knee injury. He will recover but I doubt he will be nearly as good and his window of elite level has shorten. They can potentially draft a guy who can participate all camps OTAs preseason and could develop and potentially be better 

I wouldn’t want to draft a DL with a knee injury with out seeing him playing with it first. 

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10 minutes ago, buno67 said:

 But I truly think Simmons has lost potential because of that knee injury. He will recover but I doubt he will be nearly as good and his window of elite level has shorten. They can potentially draft a guy who can participate all camps OTAs preseason and could develop and potentially be better 

I wouldn’t want to draft a DL with a knee injury with out seeing him playing with it first. 

Hey you know it’s just and ACL right?

he might honestly come back stronger like most guys have lately 

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22 minutes ago, buno67 said:

 But I truly think Simmons has lost potential because of that knee injury. He will recover but I doubt he will be nearly as good and his window of elite level has shorten. They can potentially draft a guy who can participate all camps OTAs preseason and could develop and potentially be better 

I wouldn’t want to draft a DL with a knee injury with out seeing him playing with it first. 

Its just an ACL as Brownie Man suggested, but its also a interior defensive linemen.  If it were someone making cuts and running and getting hit in the knees I would understand that.  If it were a break, I could understand that more, but this is not a serious issued for a D-Line guy.

Without seeing him play is the risk but its also why an IMMENSELY talented pass rushing DT would be available in the second round.

We shouldn't be drafting to fill needs anymore, we should be drafting for depth and replacement and hes the perfect candidate to get cheap because teams drafting for need want them to perform now.

 

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14 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Hey you know it’s just and ACL right?

he might honestly come back stronger like most guys have lately 

Yeah some of those guys coming back were established NFL talents. So they showed they can play. We have a guy who we have no idea how good he was going to be to begin with now has to recover from an ACL. 

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12 minutes ago, CBrownsman said:

Its just an ACL as Brownie Man suggested, but its also a interior defensive linemen.  If it were someone making cuts and running and getting hit in the knees I would understand that.  If it were a break, I could understand that more, but this is not a serious issued for a D-Line guy.

Without seeing him play is the risk but its also why an IMMENSELY talented pass rushing DT would be available in the second round.

We shouldn't be drafting to fill needs anymore, we should be drafting for depth and replacement and hes the perfect candidate to get cheap because teams drafting for need want them to perform now.

 

Dremont Jones can be there In the 2nd

also if you are a good DT, you need to have a change of direction to plant and explode to one direction to make a play done the LOS. T

Sorry not taking a chance on a guy with an ACL injury where we have no idea how he will respond  

there is a huge mental part to it as much as physical. Now he has to mentally handle being an NFL player and to recover. Either one is tough, doing both. 

I think I would pass.

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7 minutes ago, buno67 said:

Dremont Jones can be there In the 2nd

also if you are a good DT, you need to have a change of direction to plant and explode to one direction to make a play done the LOS. T

Sorry not taking a chance on a guy with an ACL injury where we have no idea how he will respond  

there is a huge mental part to it as much as physical. Now he has to mentally handle being an NFL player and to recover. Either one is tough, doing both. 

I think I would pass.

Its not that I don't understand why you wouldn't do it, I just I disagree with you on how efffected Simmons will be by the injury and how close other options available are.

Its a different type of planting that you do that is less effect on the sideways motion of the knee joint but I understand what your saying.

Where you lose me is saying Dre'Mont Jones can be there in the 2nd.

To me, Jones is a rotational DT at best who has good pass rush moves but gets driven off the point of attack in the run game WAY too easilly.  We already have issues against the run, we don't need to add to it on the defensive line.

Early on he would be at best a pass rush specialist from the inside.  He would need a year to become anything more sustainable anyway so my questions is why bother with the lesser of the two prospects anyway if you are going to have to wait a year to get anything out of either of them.

If Simmons is on the board and we don't take him, it says to me that we are looking at other positions because we need to fill a CB or a SS there instead.  I'm cool with that...

If Simmons is there and we take a DT like Dre'Mont Jones? or Gerald Willis? ESPECIALLY because we wanted them to contribute this year? THEN I will be upset...

I can't fathom Dorsey and Co. thinking one of those two will be better long term prospects, but they do know more about football than I do...

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5 hours ago, CBrownsman said:

Its not that I don't understand why you wouldn't do it, I just I disagree with you on how efffected Simmons will be by the injury and how close other options available are.

Its a different type of planting that you do that is less effect on the sideways motion of the knee joint but I understand what your saying.

Where you lose me is saying Dre'Mont Jones can be there in the 2nd.

To me, Jones is a rotational DT at best who has good pass rush moves but gets driven off the point of attack in the run game WAY too easilly.  We already have issues against the run, we don't need to add to it on the defensive line.

Early on he would be at best a pass rush specialist from the inside.  He would need a year to become anything more sustainable anyway so my questions is why bother with the lesser of the two prospects anyway if you are going to have to wait a year to get anything out of either of them.

If Simmons is on the board and we don't take him, it says to me that we are looking at other positions because we need to fill a CB or a SS there instead.  I'm cool with that...

If Simmons is there and we take a DT like Dre'Mont Jones? or Gerald Willis? ESPECIALLY because we wanted them to contribute this year? THEN I will be upset...

I can't fathom Dorsey and Co. thinking one of those two will be better long term prospects, but they do know more about football than I do...

See I just use the mindset of when I had ACL surgery and then played my senior year

yeah he isnt changing direction like a skill player but he is also changing direction while also having a 300+ linemen pushing on him.

To me the DTs werent the issues for the Browns piss poor run defense. It was their LBs and DE.

There is nothing wrong in having a penetrating DT. I would rather have the DT trying to penetrate through than trying to eat blocks. That can create a lot more disruption that way. Maybe I would like block eaters more if we had better LBs. Its Joe and then ???s

Jones can at least come in and do something. Simmons will need the whole year to recover IMO 

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4 hours ago, buno67 said:

See I just use the mindset of when I had ACL surgery and then played my senior year

yeah he isnt changing direction like a skill player but he is also changing direction while also having a 300+ linemen pushing on him.

To me the DTs werent the issues for the Browns piss poor run defense. It was their LBs and DE.

There is nothing wrong in having a penetrating DT. I would rather have the DT trying to penetrate through than trying to eat blocks. That can create a lot more disruption that way. Maybe I would like block eaters more if we had better LBs. Its Joe and then ???s

Jones can at least come in and do something. Simmons will need the whole year to recover IMO 

but if you can eventually have a 3 man rotation of Simmons, Ogunjobi, and Richardson along with Myles, Vernon, and Avery plus if we keep Ogbah or Chad Thomas develops. We'd be loaded 

I think for the future hes so good its worth that risk. 

Look at Jaylon Smith. People didn't even think his leg would work again. He's a top 6 linebacker in the entire league. I've seen too many players come back from their ACL to this point for me to not pick Simmons if he makes it that far

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