Nabbs4u Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Starless said: Gronk is the Aaron Rodgers of TEs Tony Gonzalez is the Tom Brady of TEs Gronk is the best to ever play, Gonzo is the GOAT. Pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Gronk played each game like it was his last. gonzo played too last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BleedTheClock said: Dude...I'd love some of the drugs you're smoking. What NFL people don't care about blocking? It just so happens that 90% of collegiate TE's can't block. It's not like it's an undesirable attribute. TJ Hockenson is being projected as a top 10 pick because he can block, not because he's some elite receiving TE. Don't confuse a shortage of a skill set with a depreciation of a skill set. Guy, teams are littering their roster with 3rd string TE's whos "skill set" is blocking, but that 1st string spot is for the receiving TE. There is a plethora of blocking TE's. Who pre-2000s would of been more valued. Today's NFL, teams dont care about blocking TE, like at all. They can bring in a 6th eligible olinemen. Teams value receiving TE's 100 times over blocking TE's anyone who says otherwise is just trying to be different and mildly awkward. Blocking TE is the equivalent of teams valuing receiving fullbacks. Just not a reality. So when you tell me so and so TE was a great blocker, i say 2 things. Prove it. Show me the tangible data to back up an opinion. Secondly, i say who gives a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Well that's just dumb. I was just going to quote that exact statement too. Pretty nutty not to value blocking for tight ends. That's like half their value. Some tight ends are kept on rosters year after year just for their blocking ability, even if they can't do anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: I was just going to quote that exact statement too. Pretty nutty not to value blocking for tight ends. That's like half their value. Some tight ends are kept on rosters year after year just for their blocking ability, even if they can't do anything else. And literally NONE of them are starters... that's for a reason. But hey what do 32 NFL coaches know, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said: And literally NONE of them are starters... that's for a reason. But hey what do 32 NFL coaches know, right? Because teams are finding the guy who can both pass catch and block as their starter. o_o Gronk was one of them. Other guys like Eric Ebron can struggle, even if he's a starter as well. And even if they aren't starters, the fact that some guys remain for years just for their ability to block, is a testament to how important of a trait it is. This is why guys like Mercedes Lewis are still employed, despite being a non factor as a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: Because teams are finding the guy who can both pass catch and block as their starter. o_o Gronk was one of them. And even if they aren't starters, the fact that some guys remain for years just for their ability to block, is a testament to how important of a trait it is. 3rd string OG's stay on teams for years and years. But they have minimal value compared to other players. Yes teams will have blocking specialist burried on their TE depth chart. That only reiterates what i said. Teams dont value how good TEs block nearly as much as some fans seem to think. Literally no current trend points to that being false. Gronk is a quality blocker for an elite receiving TE. If he wasn't elite receiving TE, he would be 2nd or 3rd string, seeing limited playing time. 32 teams value receiving TE's much much more than blocking. Is anyone actually arguing contrary to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Bearerofnews said: 3rd string OG's stay on teams for years and years. But they have minimal value compared to other players. Yes teams will have blocking specialist burried on their TE depth chart. That only reiterates what i said. Teams dont value how good TEs block nearly as much as some fans seem to think. Literally no current trend points to that being false. Gronk is a quality blocker for an elite receiving TE. If he wasn't elite receiving TE, he would be 2nd or 3rd string, seeing limited playing time. 32 teams value receiving TE's much much more than blocking. Is anyone actually arguing contrary to that? Name a 3rd string guard that has stayed on a team for like a decade. Because I can name you a boatload of non starting tight ends that have. And no, they aren't buried on a depth chart. How can you be buried on the depth chart when there are maybe 3 tight ends on a 53 man roster? Two guys at least are going to see significant snaps. Even if one isn't a good pass catcher, you need another guy in there to block countless times. Also, another tight end, even if he is mostly used as a blocker, still has to be respected for his potential to catch a pass as a decoy. Backup guards are used exclusively for injury replacement or special teams work. They won't be used as decoys for the defense. A tackle maybe, but they have to report as eligible. I don't think 32 teams go into looking for tight ends based on whether they can just receive well, or block well. They look for the guy that can do both as a starter. And what team is going to want to have multiple tight ends on the line that can't block worth a lick? Tight ends that last in the league that aren't good enough to start as pass catchers, at least stick around because they can block. "Receiving" tight ends are cut every year in training camp, because they can't block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, SkippyX said: A healthy stat compiling career with 1 playoff win vs the most dominant career with 12 playoff wins, 4 Super Bowls and 3 rings... You lost me right away when you started listing playoff record for TE. We're talking, even for the greats like Gonzalez, Gates, or Gronk, one of the positions with the least individual impact on team success. Widely one of the least valued positions in football. And you're citing team success. I'm open to people arguing for Gronk here. I think he retired at the time that makes this argument as difficult as possible, to be honest. Two more healthy seasons and the longevity is probably there for him to get a consensus. But this is the worst possible argument you could be using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: You lost me right away when you started listing playoff record for TE. We're talking, even for the greats like Gonzalez, Gates, or Gronk, one of the positions with the least individual impact on team success. Widely one of the least valued positions in football. And you're citing team success. I'm open to people arguing for Gronk here. I think he retired at the time that makes this argument as difficult as possible, to be honest. Two more healthy seasons and the longevity is probably there for him to get a consensus. But this is the worst possible argument you could be using. Also one of these player spent his prime years playing for a mostly mediocre Chiefs team with a couple decent years being thrown too by Grbac and Green. The other spent his entire career on a dynastic team with the GOAT coach being thrown to by Brady. Tony G was hardly an inferior player to Gronk in his prime, and played nearly twice as long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Bearerofnews said: Guy, teams are littering their roster with 3rd string TE's whos "skill set" is blocking, but that 1st string spot is for the receiving TE. There is a plethora of blocking TE's. Who pre-2000s would of been more valued. Today's NFL, teams dont care about blocking TE, like at all. They can bring in a 6th eligible olinemen. Teams value receiving TE's 100 times over blocking TE's anyone who says otherwise is just trying to be different and mildly awkward. Blocking TE is the equivalent of teams valuing receiving fullbacks. Just not a reality. So when you tell me so and so TE was a great blocker, i say 2 things. Prove it. Show me the tangible data to back up an opinion. Secondly, i say who gives a damn. ...k bye! Have fun with your wrong opinion. This conversation is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilflamingo Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Yes he is. Gonzo had the longer career and hence better all-time stats but for me, Gronk was the more dominant player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLF54927 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Still John Mackey for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Jakuvious said: You lost me right away when you started listing playoff record for TE. We're talking, even for the greats like Gonzalez, Gates, or Gronk, one of the positions with the least individual impact on team success. Widely one of the least valued positions in football. And you're citing team success. I'm open to people arguing for Gronk here. I think he retired at the time that makes this argument as difficult as possible, to be honest. Two more healthy seasons and the longevity is probably there for him to get a consensus. But this is the worst possible argument you could be using. People do that stupid garbage all the time. Hell, it's already stupid enough to judge QBs based on SBs, but at least QBs make more sense than most. Knocking a TE because his teams did win more? That's a special kind of stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Lee Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, FourThreeMafia said: People do that stupid garbage all the time. Hell, it's already stupid enough to judge QBs based on SBs, but at least QBs make more sense than most. Knocking a TE because his teams did win more? That's a special kind of stupid. In playoffs, good defense takes away big plays, and it is extremely hard to score 24 or more without big plays. If a QB can consistently score 24, 27 or even 30 pts in playoffs when necessary, he is the main reason for SB wins because few can do it. And it is stupid to judge a QB by how good he can pile up stats with two great WR against lousy teams or tired defense in regular seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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