deathstar Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, hitnhope said: How does Montez Sweat rate so low on this list? He absolutely crushed the combine tests. he has been rated top 10 player on just about every published list across the net. If I am understanding what you are trying to measure it seems he would be toward the top of the board. Athletically he tested better than Bosa, and he is taller, while being only a little lighter. Seems he would be toward the top of the chart. Mind you, I am not advocating we pick Sweat, just want to understand what we are looking at. It has to do with the big boards I used to rank players. First step I'm going to do is add more of those and post an updated ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, blankman0021 said: Ah... or ya know, he didn't run at the combine. So he wouldn't have a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wren blew this up. He's my pick at 30. Think he's a Pettine pick. Better imo than Oliver or very close. 2inches less on the broad jump at +30lbs and almost as many reps as Oliver with longer arms. Might be stronger. I like him on tape, just raw. Oliver has the hype, but Wren has the better character imo. Interesting to see where he goes. I have none of the concerns that I have with Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 I updated the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 I updated the OP: UPDATE: I've included all players and merely highlighted ones that I believe are off our board. Above are the first 53 but I have a list of around ~300 now. I've included 3 big boards, CBS, drafttek, and nflbigboard.com. If anyone has more big boards that are in tables please send me the links so I can include them in the average. Current Issues: improve legibility, would like to have position ranks as well as overall ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, deathstar said: I updated the OP: UPDATE: I've included all players and merely highlighted ones that I believe are off our board. Above are the first 53 but I have a list of around ~300 now. I've included 3 big boards, CBS, drafttek, and nflbigboard.com. If anyone has more big boards that are in tables please send me the links so I can include them in the average. Current Issues: improve legibility, would like to have position ranks as well as overall ranks. RBs I wouldn't take off. The 40 time is body type dependent. Lacey was my favorite back of the last ten years (too bad about his foot) and he had bad numbers but his tape didn't lie. He was special and brought toughness and fear to correct Mac's finesse offense But the others I would take off days 1-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Posted in the draft discussion thread, but also applicable here: Some context on Ed Oliver's athleticism. Using the EDGE formulas (which I know he's not an EDGE, but a 6'2'' 280 lbs guy is close to an EDGE body), he is insane. Mass: 97th percentile Power: 98th percentile Speed 40: 94th percentile Agility: 91st percentile Speed 10: 93rd percentile Twitch: 83rd percentile Using the RAS database, his workouts for IDL rate as: 40: 99th 10-split: 99th Bench: 88th Broad: 99th Vert: 99th Shuttle: 99th 3C: 98th RAS at IDL: 9.83 RAS at DE: 9.72 RAS at LB: 9.46 Ed Oliver isn't human. He is a football machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, rcon14 said: Posted in the draft discussion thread, but also applicable here: Some context on Ed Oliver's athleticism. Using the EDGE formulas (which I know he's not an EDGE, but a 6'2'' 280 lbs guy is close to an EDGE body), he is insane. Mass: 97th percentile Power: 98th percentile Speed 40: 94th percentile Agility: 91st percentile Speed 10: 93rd percentile Twitch: 83rd percentile Using the RAS database, his workouts for IDL rate as: 40: 99th 10-split: 99th Bench: 88th Broad: 99th Vert: 99th Shuttle: 99th 3C: 98th RAS at IDL: 9.83 RAS at DE: 9.72 RAS at LB: 9.46 Ed Oliver isn't human. He is a football machine. I would be curious to see this run with him as a LB. I expect it would still be in the 80+%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, deathstar said: I would be curious to see this run with him as a LB. I expect it would still be in the 80+%. Ask and ye shall receive According to RAS database, Oliver's testing as a LB 40: 59th percentile 10-split: 72nd Bench: 98th Vertical: 82nd Broad: 79th Shuttle: 82nd 3C: 60th Total RAS: 9.46 All while being in the 70th percentile for height, and the 100th percentile for weight. He isn't human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, rcon14 said: Ask and ye shall receive According to RAS database, Oliver's testing as a LB 40: 59th percentile 10-split: 72nd Bench: 98th Vertical: 82nd Broad: 79th Shuttle: 82nd 3C: 60th Total RAS: 9.46 All while being in the 70th percentile for height, and the 100th percentile for weight. He isn't human. He's definitely a chess piece. Pettine would love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, rcon14 said: Ask and ye shall receive According to RAS database, Oliver's testing as a LB 40: 59th percentile 10-split: 72nd Bench: 98th Vertical: 82nd Broad: 79th Shuttle: 82nd 3C: 60th Total RAS: 9.46 All while being in the 70th percentile for height, and the 100th percentile for weight. He isn't human. 1. Oliver is a very impressive athlete. Not at all disputing that. 2. The fact that RAS doesn't have a positional distinction for EDGE is baffling considering it's an analytics attempt. Oliver is a great athlete compared to ILBs, but is he really testing that much better than say Nick Perry? Edge and ILB are two entirely different breeds of athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: 1. Oliver is a very impressive athlete. Not at all disputing that. 2. The fact that RAS doesn't have a positional distinction for EDGE is baffling considering it's an analytics attempt. Oliver is a great athlete compared to ILBs, but is he really testing that much better than say Nick Perry? Edge and ILB are two entirely different breeds of athlete. It utilizes DE for that, which I laid out his DE RAS: 9.72 What makes laying out a purely EDGE piece is it is obnoxiously time consuming to do so. The NFL uses DE/DT/LB distinctions in so much of its labeling that in order to just do EDGE guys you have to start getting a bit subjective about who you include where. Which, when you're trying to maintain a massive database, isn't really possible. Also, yes, he is stunningly better than Nick Perry. Just using the EDGE formulas: Oliver: Mass: 96th Power: 98th Speed 40: 94th Agility: 90th Speed 10: 93rd Twitch: 82nd Perry: Mass: 82nd Power: 98th Speed 40: 98th Agility: 62nd Speed 10: 98th Twitch: 3rd We should talk about Ed Oliver's athleticism like we talk about JJ Watt's. It is unbelievable and elite across any front-7 position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, rcon14 said: It utilizes DE for that, which I laid out his DE RAS: 9.72 What makes laying out a purely EDGE piece is it is obnoxiously time consuming to do so. The NFL uses DE/DT/LB distinctions in so much of its labeling that in order to just do EDGE guys you have to start getting a bit subjective about who you include where. Which, when you're trying to maintain a massive database, isn't really possible. The NFL using DE/DT/LB distinctions is similarly stupid. 4-3 DE AND 3-4 OLB are a lot closer than 4-3 DE AND 3-4 DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: The NFL using DE/DT/LB distinctions is similarly stupid. 4-3 DE AND 3-4 OLB are a lot closer than 4-3 DE AND 3-4 DE 100%. Draft boards are doing a job of treating 3-4 DE as IDL and 3-4 OLB as DE/EDGE but NFL sites and a lot of the official number tables don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 The ILB thing doesn't mean anything Except he's really atheletic, the guy is gonna be playing IDL in the NFL. But now I doubt he's gonna drop to 12 after this pro day if he wasn't gonna drop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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