Malik Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Going by the reactions of the Gronk v Gonzalez conversations a decent amount of people here value longevity over peak. I'm curious how far that extends. So we have Frank Gore who has been good the majority of his career with only 1 really stellar season in 2006. Outside of a Marcus Allen and Emmitt Smith runningbacks never go 15 seasons like Frank Gore is about to do. He's 485 yards away from being 3rd all time in rushing yards Anyway I'm curious about how many, if any or all, RBs that pretty much only had 3~5 seasons under the belt do you consider better than Frank Gore despite him having a significantly longer career and being very talented in his own right. Priest Holmes Arian Foster Jamaal Charles Shaun Alexander Tiki Barber Ray Rice Maurice Jones-Drew etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Steven Jackson >>> Frank Gore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Terrell Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, El ramster said: Steven Jackson >>> Frank Gore No. Maybe prime Steven Jackson >>> prime Frank Gore, but Gore has had a better career. And I don't even know if Prime SJ is better than Prime FG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braylon Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, BleedTheClock said: No. Maybe prime Steven Jackson >>> prime Frank Gore, but Gore has had a better career. And I don't even know if Prime SJ is better than Prime FG. I feel like that was kinda point of this thread? I'm not totally sure though. I took this thread to basically be asking "who would you rather have on your team for a season?" And if thats the case, of the players discussed in this thread: In tiers: Priest Holmes // SJAX Alexander // Gore // Charles Foster // Barber Rice // MJD But honestly, I feel like if I did this tomorrow the only thing that would certainly stay the same is Priest and SJAX are in their own tier and the rest are below them. The rest of the guys mentioned were certainly good players, but none of them were anything special at all. Gore was good, but never a Top 5 back (in terms of who I would want on my team), really probably not ever even a Top 7 back. He's been consistently good, but not really great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLF54927 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It's not peak v. longevity when one of the players compared has both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I'm taking Shaun Alexander over Frank Gore without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Frank Gore Rushing & Receiving Statistics for Career Games 2006 to 2013 Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Tm G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Average 14.8 14.6 257.5 1169.9 7.1 57.8 39.5 330.1 1.3 297 1500 8.4 4 Per 16 Games 16 16 279 1269 8 63 43 358 1 322 1627 9 4 2006-2013 SFO 118 117 2060 9359 57 80 4.5 79.3 17.5 462 316 2641 8.4 10 48 2.7 22.4 2376 5.1 12000 67 32 Steven Jackson Rushing & Receiving Statistics for Career Games 2005 to 2012 Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Tm G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Average 14.6 14.5 282.8 1183.1 6.5 65.9 48.5 391.9 1 331.3 1575 7.5 2.8 Per 16 Games 16 16 309 1294 7 72 53 429 1 362 1723 8 3 2005-2012 RAM 117 116 2262 9465 52 59 4.2 80.9 19.3 527 388 3135 8.1 8 64 3.3 26.8 2650 4.8 12600 60 22 Their primes are pretty much neck and neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I suppose this depends on the definition we are using for better player here. If we are talking about who was the overall best player listed at their peak, I'm going with Jamaal Charles. If we are talking about best career then it's hard to argue against Frank Gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braylon Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Danger said: Frank Gore Rushing & Receiving Statistics for Career Games 2006 to 2013 Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Tm G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Average 14.8 14.6 257.5 1169.9 7.1 57.8 39.5 330.1 1.3 297 1500 8.4 4 Per 16 Games 16 16 279 1269 8 63 43 358 1 322 1627 9 4 2006-2013 SFO 118 117 2060 9359 57 80 4.5 79.3 17.5 462 316 2641 8.4 10 48 2.7 22.4 2376 5.1 12000 67 32 Steven Jackson Rushing & Receiving Statistics for Career Games 2005 to 2012 Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Tm G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Average 14.6 14.5 282.8 1183.1 6.5 65.9 48.5 391.9 1 331.3 1575 7.5 2.8 Per 16 Games 16 16 309 1294 7 72 53 429 1 362 1723 8 3 2005-2012 RAM 117 116 2262 9465 52 59 4.2 80.9 19.3 527 388 3135 8.1 8 64 3.3 26.8 2650 4.8 12600 60 22 Their primes are pretty much neck and neck. I know that they're statistically close.. But man, eyeball test tells me SJAX was clearly better. SJAX was a special talent and is one of the most underrated players of his time IMO (only in retrospect). He had it all as a runner, he was unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, braylon said: I feel like that was kinda point of this thread? I'm not totally sure though. I took this thread to basically be asking "who would you rather have on your team for a season?" And if thats the case, of the players discussed in this thread: In tiers: Priest Holmes // SJAX Alexander // Gore // Charles Foster // Barber Rice // MJD But honestly, I feel like if I did this tomorrow the only thing that would certainly stay the same is Priest and SJAX are in their own tier and the rest are below them. The rest of the guys mentioned were certainly good players, but none of them were anything special at all. Gore was good, but never a Top 5 back (in terms of who I would want on my team), really probably not ever even a Top 7 back. He's been consistently good, but not really great. Gore was definitely a top 7 back during his prime SF run. He ran for 1700 yards his sophomore season with a 5.4 ypc average. Plus he was a good pass catcher and great pass blocker. Also it’s remarkable that he has remained healthy for this long given the fact that he tore his ACL (3?) times while at Miami. He is remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, braylon said: I know that they're statistically close.. But man, eyeball test tells me SJAX was clearly better. SJAX was a special talent and is one of the most underrated players of his time IMO (only in retrospect). He had it all as a runner, he was unreal. I would really have to agree with the eye test assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, Danger said: I'm taking Shaun Alexander over Frank Gore without a doubt. That’s the only name on that list that gave me pause. I’d probably take Alexander too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: That’s the only name on that list that gave me pause. I’d probably take Alexander too. The other one I'd consider is Tiki Barber, was a huge presence in the passing game. Problem was he fumbled a LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braylon Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Gore was definitely a top 7 back during his prime SF run. He ran for 1700 yards his sophomore season with a 5.4 ypc average. Plus he was a good pass catcher and great pass blocker. Also it’s remarkable that he has remained healthy for this long given the fact that he tore his ACL (3?) times while at Miami. He is remarkable. The thing is, it's easy to just say "he was a top 7 back", but harder when you go back and look. I think you can definitely make that argument, but I can argue he wasn't too. Specifically 06 when he ran for 1700 yards you're competing with (age and then name): 27 - Ladainian Tomlinson 27 - Larry Johnson 23 - SJAX 29 - Shaun Alexander 27 - Brian Westbrook 25 - Clinton Portis 25 - Ronnie Brown 28 - Edgerrin James 27 - Jamal Lewis And the next year Peterson and Marshawn Lynch entered the league. Two players who are undoubtedly "better" IMO. Honestly, I was a huge Frank Gore fan. I had his rookie card and immediately decided I loved him and wished for his success in the NFL, and when it came about I was thrilled. And looking back, I agree he was probably a Top 7 back at times through his career (honestly, I bet I argued for him inside the Top 5 on this very forum at times, but I'm a very biased person and tend to favor guys I love.. I vividly remember arguing that Braylon Edwards was better than Andre Johnson after the 07 season LOLOL). But my point was really, he was never elite IMO. I would say all the guys I named up there outside of Westrbook spent time as a Top 5 RB in this league (not just one year that could be argued as Top 5). For a single game, I'm taking everyone up there over Gore outside of Westbrook. Wouldn't blame you for taking him over a number of them honestly, but I just think both sides can be argued. Part of what made him awesome throughout his career was his consistency and dependability. Also, he was incredibly well rounded, but so were most of the guys on this list.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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