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BayRaider Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jerry said: No one has ever argued Carrs 4th QTR clutchness, not even me. Although I’d rather have a QB who plays well all four quarters. Let’s see if Carr can do that this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 hours ago, BayRaider said: No one has ever argued Carrs 4th QTR clutchness, not even me. Although I’d rather have a QB who plays well all four quarters. Let’s see if Carr can do that this year. Find me any QB that plays well every game, all four quarters. Any single one. I'll wait, for the rest of my life, for you to find him. Brady, Rivers, Manning (Peyton), Favre, M. Ryan, C. Newton, every great QB, has had terrible seasons, games, quarters, drives, all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 15 hours ago, Jerry said: Find me any QB that plays well every game, all four quarters. Any single one. I'll wait, for the rest of my life, for you to find him. Brady, Rivers, Manning (Peyton), Favre, M. Ryan, C. Newton, every great QB, has had terrible seasons, games, quarters, drives, all of them. Not trying to argue you point because he has been great in the past but how many of those came in 2014-2016. Also I would put more weight on percentage of comeback wins given certain parameters. A player that has a lot of comebacks has also played close to the level of their opponents to be put in that situation. A player that is good enough to have the game locked up before the 4th is not going to look very good in this stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/8swd5s/every_recent_starting_qbs_4th_quarter_comeback/ Here are some good stats from 2017 and before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Not trying to argue you point because he has been great in the past but how many of those came in 2014-2016. Also I would put more weight on percentage of comeback wins given certain parameters. A player that has a lot of comebacks has also played close to the level of their opponents to be put in that situation. A player that is good enough to have the game locked up before the 4th is not going to look very good in this stat. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-top-15-qbs-who-have-the-most-fourth-quarter-comebacks-in-nfl-history/ar-BBNfnTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Jerry said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-top-15-qbs-who-have-the-most-fourth-quarter-comebacks-in-nfl-history/ar-BBNfnTT This type of information is more what I was talking about. Gives better context. I would also like to see games played per 4th comeback. The rest of my original post even takes into account the quality of opponent. Carr looks good with this data and ranks 17th against teams with winning records at 12.5%. His margin of deficit speaks to his abilities also. I do not hate Carr or anyone else on this team not named Cable now that Reggie Nelson is gone. But I refuse to ignore a players deficiencies just because they wear the silver and black. Or if you are one of AB's workout buddies it is grey and black. Name Games - Defecit Ave - Wins - Wins % T.Brady NE 32 7.4 12 37.5% T.Romo DAL 37 8.9 13 35.1% B.Roethlisberger PIT 43 9.7 12 27.9% A.Dalton CIN 43 10.1 11 25.6% J.Cutler CHI 52 11.9 13 25.0% M.Ryan ATL 60 9.5 15 25.0% M.Vick PHI 20 12.7 5 25.0% R.Wilson SEA 28 8.6 7 25.0% M.Stafford DET 63 9.4 15 23.8% A.Rodgers GB 39 8.9 9 23.1% D.Carr OAK 35 12.7 8 22.9% M.Mariota TEN 22 8.9 5 22.7% A.Luck IND 31 12.8 7 22.6% D.Brees NO 56 11.1 12 21.4% M.Schaub HOU 28 12.0 6 21.4% M.Sanchez NYJ 30 10.1 6 20.0% R.Tannehill MIA 36 11.2 7 19.4% J.Freeman TB 37 13.1 7 18.9% A.Smith SF 16 9.8 3 18.8% P.Rivers SD 54 9.7 10 18.5% C.Newton CAR 39 10.6 7 17.9% J.Flacco BAL 53 9.5 9 17.0% S.Bradford STL 30 12.5 5 16.7% E.Manning NYG 70 12.2 11 15.7% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 hours ago, drfrey13 said: Not trying to argue you point because he has been great in the past but how many of those came in 2014-2016. Also I would put more weight on percentage of comeback wins given certain parameters. A player that has a lot of comebacks has a defense that can't stop the other team from scoring late in the third quarter or in the fourth quarter. A player that is good enough to have the game locked up before the 4th is not going to look very good in this stat. There. DC doesn't play defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: This type of information is more what I was talking about. Gives better context. I would also like to see games played per 4th comeback. The rest of my original post even takes into account the quality of opponent. Carr looks good with this data and ranks 17th against teams with winning records at 12.5%. His margin of deficit speaks to his abilities also. I do not hate Carr or anyone else on this team not named Cable now that Reggie Nelson is gone. But I refuse to ignore a players deficiencies just because they wear the silver and black. Or if you are one of AB's workout buddies it is grey and black. Name Games - Defecit Ave - Wins - Wins % T.Brady NE 32 7.4 12 37.5% T.Romo DAL 37 8.9 13 35.1% B.Roethlisberger PIT 43 9.7 12 27.9% A.Dalton CIN 43 10.1 11 25.6% J.Cutler CHI 52 11.9 13 25.0% M.Ryan ATL 60 9.5 15 25.0% M.Vick PHI 20 12.7 5 25.0% R.Wilson SEA 28 8.6 7 25.0% M.Stafford DET 63 9.4 15 23.8% A.Rodgers GB 39 8.9 9 23.1% D.Carr OAK 35 12.7 8 22.9% M.Mariota TEN 22 8.9 5 22.7% A.Luck IND 31 12.8 7 22.6% D.Brees NO 56 11.1 12 21.4% M.Schaub HOU 28 12.0 6 21.4% M.Sanchez NYJ 30 10.1 6 20.0% R.Tannehill MIA 36 11.2 7 19.4% J.Freeman TB 37 13.1 7 18.9% A.Smith SF 16 9.8 3 18.8% P.Rivers SD 54 9.7 10 18.5% C.Newton CAR 39 10.6 7 17.9% J.Flacco BAL 53 9.5 9 17.0% S.Bradford STL 30 12.5 5 16.7% E.Manning NYG 70 12.2 11 15.7% Being anywhere near A. Rodgers and above D. Brees is impressive in terms of any positive stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Jerry said: Being anywhere near A. Rodgers and above D. Brees is impressive in terms of any positive stat. I said it earlier that he has the physical talent but mentally I think he needs to step it up a notch, he needs help, and he needs consistency. If he improves this year I am in favor of keeping him and hope he grows with Gruden. At the end of last year I said get rid of him but with some research and good discussion from posters on this board I have been swayed. I think he has been given enough to show substantial improvement so it is up to him now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Don't know if this was posted somewhere yet or not, but here's a vid of Carr addressing the rookie class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0EZUSWI7hI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/24/2019 at 1:38 PM, BayRaider said: Oakfan or whatever his name is, is always saying Carr is better than Luck and there’s a big gap. ?? If this is me, that's not only BS, but there's literally no way that you can substantiate that claim. Idiotic analysis at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said: ?? If this is me, that's not only BS, but there's literally no way that you can substantiate that claim. Idiotic analysis at best. I’m not going through your post history but during 2016 and the 2017 off season, and probably even the 2017 regular season before Luck came back strong in 2018, you made multiple posts claiming Carr is a much better QB. Even during 2016, this was never true. Luck is miles ahead of Carr as a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 28, 2019 Author Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, BayRaider said: I’m not going through your post history but during 2016 and the 2017 off season, and probably even the 2017 regular season before Luck came back strong in 2018, you made multiple posts claiming Carr is a much better QB. Even during 2016, this was never true. Luck is miles ahead of Carr as a QB. On 12/24/2016, DC was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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