MrOaktown_56 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 59 minutes ago, Roninho said: While i don't agree with a bunch of names on your list, imo we all can agree Carr is a middle of pack QB. If he is 12th or 18th best isnt really the most relevant discussion though. More interesting is the question do you move on and try to upgrade or work with what you have and win via defense. By keeping Carr i could see us becoming the Detroit Lions: Having decent seasons but never be really in contention for anything. It is a hard place to be in, because the alternative (moving on from Carr) actually has a bigger chance of us becoming one of the many franchises drafting a bust and be stuck with a downgrade like close to half of the league had the past decade. He's been playing like a top 10 qb this year by nearly every metric, both in terms of direct statistics (like passer rating, percent of turnover worthy throws, uncatchable throw %, etc). His protection has been excellent, but so has his time to throw, decision making, pocket movement, and even playing under pressure and extending plays. He's shown growth in all those areas with a revolving door at WR, after finally being in the same system for the 2nd year in a row... I think he certainly can be a top 10 passer in the league. If you're referring to a guy like Stafford, if their defense could do anything worth a damn, they would be in contention. I don't think the Lions are a good example at all. They haven't been well run, much like us. That's the reason for their lack of success, as opposed to Stafford being unable to do enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I picked the Lions on purpose as the example. Imo Stafford is a top 10 QB, and Carr hasn't shown consistently that he is one. Hopefully this season is not an exception, but we are seeing the 'new' Carr and he is making the step to Staffords level. I'm simply not sold yet, because we have years of tape on Carr where he is showing he isnt a top 10 qb. But even if he is i don't see him being a better QB then Stafford, and Stafford hasn't won ****. And that is because the Lions made many mistakes in building their roster. We are very very very similar in that (we just traded away our 2017 1st round pick for a 3rd). I hope that Mayock is changing this but as long as he hasnt proven that imo in the case Carr is turning in a top 10 qb we are still very similar to the Lions: not winning anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, Roninho said: I picked the Lions on purpose as the example. Imo Stafford is a top 10 QB, and Carr hasn't shown consistently that he is one. Hopefully this season is not an exception, but we are seeing the 'new' Carr and he is making the step to Staffords level. I'm simply not sold yet, because we have years of tape on Carr where he is showing he isnt a top 10 qb. But even if he is i don't see him being a better QB then Stafford, and Stafford hasn't won ****. And that is because the Lions made many mistakes in building their roster. We are very very very similar in that (we just traded away our 2017 1st round pick for a 3rd). I hope that Mayock is changing this but as long as he hasnt proven that imo in the case Carr is turning in a top 10 qb we are still very similar to the Lions: not winning anything. We need to go after defense hard, DE and LB especially. Once we have a pass rush everyone gets better. Get Carr another weapon with Tyrell. Love renfrow and Zay Jones for what they do going forward, but need a special talent. Tes are pretty solid and oline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Say what you want about Carr, but he's winning games despite a dumpster fire defense. If he's average to below average and winning games, I can live with that. Just win baby. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SimonGruber Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 That throw to Richard in the 4th was something else reminded me of the one to Seth Roberts against Pittsburgh last year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Roninho said: I picked the Lions on purpose as the example. Imo Stafford is a top 10 QB, and Carr hasn't shown consistently that he is one. Hopefully this season is not an exception, but we are seeing the 'new' Carr and he is making the step to Staffords level. I'm simply not sold yet, because we have years of tape on Carr where he is showing he isnt a top 10 qb. But even if he is i don't see him being a better QB then Stafford, and Stafford hasn't won ****. And that is because the Lions made many mistakes in building their roster. We are very very very similar in that (we just traded away our 2017 1st round pick for a 3rd). I hope that Mayock is changing this but as long as he hasnt proven that imo in the case Carr is turning in a top 10 qb we are still very similar to the Lions: not winning anything. The situations are similar, but I gotta throw a big "duh" out here. It's a team game fellas. QBs don't do it alone. Even the elite, HOF guys had great teams around them. The Patriots haven't won 6 rings just because of Brady. I know he gets all of the credit, but it's just not true. Montana was surrounded with talent with the 49ers. Bradshaw was probably one of the worst players on his own team, but still has 4 rings. QB may be the most important position, but even the best have terrible seasons when the talent around them isn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Roninho said: I picked the Lions on purpose as the example. Imo Stafford is a top 10 QB, and Carr hasn't shown consistently that he is one. Hopefully this season is not an exception, but we are seeing the 'new' Carr and he is making the step to Staffords level. I'm simply not sold yet, because we have years of tape on Carr where he is showing he isnt a top 10 qb. But even if he is i don't see him being a better QB then Stafford, and Stafford hasn't won ****. And that is because the Lions made many mistakes in building their roster. We are very very very similar in that (we just traded away our 2017 1st round pick for a 3rd). I hope that Mayock is changing this but as long as he hasnt proven that imo in the case Carr is turning in a top 10 qb we are still very similar to the Lions: not winning anything. Carr outplayed him yesterday without the talent he has at receiver. Made better decisions, played better on 3rd down, etc. I think Carr's upside is huge. Hopefully, he can continue to grow in this offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Totty Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jerry said: And these MF want him gone.... lollllllllllllllllllllllll 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Carr is on pace for a better season than 2016 (this season really gets overrated due to comebacks). He’s on pace for 4000 yards (maybe shy 100-250 yards), 26 TDs, 7 INTs, 69% COMP, and the most important difference here is 7.9 YPA. He had 7.0 YPA in 2016 which is really bad. I’d say 7.5 is average and 7.9+ is where you get to elite QB territory. I’m proud of him. Really am. I didn’t expect this. He’s probably been the 2nd best QB in the NFL these past two games behind Wilson. However, he also needs to do it against a respectable defense. Lions had the worst Pass Defense in the NFL. Texans were bottom 4. Chargers Pass Defense is ranked 5th in the NFL this year. Let’s see Carr have a solid showing against that. Throughout his career we’ve seen Carr get dominated by Top 5 Defenses, especially Top 5 Pass Defenses. It’s time for him to show he has turned a corner and in Grudens offense he can operate well against any defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 QB DEREK CARR, OAKLAND RAIDERS Carr was electric against the Lions on Sunday, as he picked up two big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays en route to an 86.8 passing grade in Week 9. He also recorded an 81.5% adjusted completion percentage on Sunday, which ranked tied for sixth among qualifying quarterbacks this week. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-9-team-of-the-week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 1:13 PM, Totty said: And these MF want him gone.... lollllllllllllllllllllllll dam boys quiet now.. gossiping like girls when times were hard hahahahhaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 2:55 PM, BayRaider said: Carr is on pace for a better season than 2016 (this season really gets overrated due to comebacks). He’s on pace for 4000 yards (maybe shy 100-250 yards), 26 TDs, 7 INTs, 69% COMP, and the most important difference here is 7.9 YPA. He had 7.0 YPA in 2016 which is really bad. I’d say 7.5 is average and 7.9+ is where you get to elite QB territory. I’m proud of him. Really am. I didn’t expect this. He’s probably been the 2nd best QB in the NFL these past two games behind Wilson. However, he also needs to do it against a respectable defense. Lions had the worst Pass Defense in the NFL. Texans were bottom 4. Chargers Pass Defense is ranked 5th in the NFL this year. Let’s see Carr have a solid showing against that. Throughout his career we’ve seen Carr get dominated by Top 5 Defenses, especially Top 5 Pass Defenses. It’s time for him to show he has turned a corner and in Grudens offense he can operate well against any defense. I think Carr gets in the MVP hunt if we go 4-0 in November and in the playoff hunt. he would be a big reason we turn the corner. big IF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Thing is, even if he doesn't play well this week, I still believe. I've been seeing some of the things I thought he was capable of and hoped he'd prove. Again, one step at a time, but I have on reason to stop backing DC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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