jumbo Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I think the strategy is twofold: 1. Get guys who can line up in lots of places (Cohen, Burton, Patterson, specifically) 2. Line them up all over to create mismatches 3. Force the defense to defend them all Patterson is a win in the above, doesn't need to be complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, jumbo said: I think the strategy is twofold: 1. Get guys who can line up in lots of places (Cohen, Burton, Patterson, specifically) 2. Line them up all over to create mismatches 3. Force the defense to defend them all Patterson is a win in the above, doesn't need to be complicated. Specify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbo Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Maybe threefold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: First of all, you and @AZBearsFan are fervently defending a certain strategy that may not even exist. So let's just put that out there. We really don't know that having Patterson basically be an RB is in the Bears' plans. And honestly, I doubt it is. But, just to further the discussion--you see no drawbacks for Patterson being an RB? Despite a lack of experience there? From Nagy's own mouth they plan to use Patterson to run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, dll2000 said: From Nagy's own mouth they plan to use Patterson to run the ball. He didn't say how much. My guess is not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Heinz D. said: He didn't say how much. My guess is not a lot. I wholeheartedly agree not a lot, but I think he’ll get reps there. He had a few dozen carries last year as a RB. I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all that he does that for us this year. I don’t expect nor do I think he should get many more RB carries than that. He was signed to be a Swiss Army knife - occasional RB is just one of those roles he could fill on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 It's not exactly like Patterson has no experience as a RB but it is limited. NE probably got the most out of him as a back last year. He still average only 2.8 carries per game but had nearly as much yardage rushing (228 yds) as he did receiving (247 yds). But he also scored 4 tds on only 63 touches and another on a KOR against us. He's had had 6 career KOR for tds in 6 seasons and 17 as a back or receiver so he does put some points on the board. Nagy as said he envisions using him more often as a RB than he's been used in the past but than saying isn't the same as doing. But with his size and his speed Patterson is another nice weapon to have especially when you can get both him and Cohen on the field at the same time. Both can run and both can catch and both have to be accounted for every down or you can get burned big time. It's like another of those Nagy "plot twists" he loves. Receiving & Rushing * Selected to Pro Bowl, + First-Team All-Pro Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 95 29 286 184 1872 10.2 10 79 1.9 19.7 86 682 7 67 7.9 7.2 0.9 270 9.4593 2554 17 8 27 4 yrs MIN 64 22 216 132 1316 10.0 7 79 2.1 20.6 31 333 4 67 10.7 5.2 0.5 163 10.1166 1649 11 4 19 1 yr NWE 15 5 28 21 247 11.8 3 55 1.4 16.5 42 228 1 27 5.4 15.2 2.8 63 7.5397 475 4 1 5 1 yr OAK 16 2 42 31 309 10.0 0 59 1.9 19.3 13 121 2 47 9.3 7.6 0.8 44 9.7727 430 2 3 3 2013*+ 22 MIN wr 84 16 6 77 45 469 10.4 4 79 2.8 29.3 58.4% 12 158 3 50 13.2 9.9 0.8 57 11.0000 627 7 0 8 2014 23 MIN wr 84 16 7 67 33 384 11.6 1 28 2.1 24.0 49.3% 10 117 1 67 11.7 7.3 0.6 43 11.6512 501 2 1 4 2015 24 MIN wr 84 16 1 2 2 10 5.0 0 9 0.1 0.6 100.0% 2 15 0 9 7.5 0.9 0.1 4 6.2500 25 0 1 2 2016*+ 25 MIN WR 84 16 8 70 52 453 8.7 2 39 3.3 28.3 74.3% 7 43 0 22 6.1 2.7 0.4 59 8.4068 496 2 2 5 2017 26 OAK wr 84 16 2 42 31 309 10.0 0 59 1.9 19.3 73.8% 13 121 2 47 9.3 7.6 0.8 44 9.7727 430 2 3 3 2018 27 NWE rb/wr 84 15 5 28 21 247 11.8 3 55 1.4 16.5 75.0% 42 228 1 27 5.4 15.2 2.8 63 7.5397 475 4 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 We'll see. Nagy will experiment with Patterson in Spring and Summer and see how it goes. I know he will try it intially. If it looks good I wouldn't be surprised if Patterson got 8 carries a game or so and a lot more snaps. New England kind of tried it on a whim when they had injuries and it worked. But they were deep at position and just spent a no. 1 draft pick on it, so it wasn't a necessity to keep it ongoing. Nobody lined Patterson up in backfield before always has a fly guy. Or that is my understanding anyway. Now Nagy will continue the experiment. That's what it is, an experiment. Better it looks, more he will use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 8 would be a lot. I think we could see 2 carries a game in the backfield and maybe another 1-2 carries in the jet sweep/reverse game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, WindyCity said: 8 would be a lot. I think we could see 2 carries a game in the backfield and maybe another 1-2 carries in the jet sweep/reverse game. Yup. We need a feature back. All signs suggest we gonna go out and get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, WindyCity said: 8 would be a lot. I think we could see 2 carries a game in the backfield and maybe another 1-2 carries in the jet sweep/reverse game. Depends what it looks like when he messes with Patterson in backfield. Bears only run the ball like 20-28x a game with backs. I can go with Patterson getting 4 carries a game, 4 carries a game by Patterson is still roughly 20%. Not insignificant. How many carries will Cohen get? I estimate 7-11. That only leaves 6-15 carries or so. I can see Davis getting or handling 6-15 carries. We will draft a RB I believe because there is no depth there, but I don't see him having to be a bell cow back to save us. If he ends up being an all around stud, great. But he doesn't have to be. He can be very good in one area and not in another and still be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 4:46 PM, dll2000 said: Depends what it looks like when he messes with Patterson in backfield. Bears only run the ball like 20-28x a game with backs. I can go with Patterson getting 4 carries a game, 4 carries a game by Patterson is still roughly 20%. Not insignificant. How many carries will Cohen get? I estimate 7-11. That only leaves 6-15 carries or so. I can see Davis getting or handling 6-15 carries. We will draft a RB I believe because there is no depth there, but I don't see him having to be a bell cow back to save us. If he ends up being an all around stud, great. But he doesn't have to be. He can be very good in one area and not in another and still be useful. As a team we had 369 RB runs in 2018 (36.4% of our offensive plays). That’s 23 a game. Last year Cohen averaged about 10 touches a game on offense with about 40% coming in the passing game, and I think that’s about the right share for him. Assuming the same split and team rush volume that leaves 16-17 carries a game to other guys. Looking at KC’s 2017 offense though with Nagy as OC I’m not sure that Nagy wants to run even that much. Even with a legit feature back in Hunt in 2017 who led the league in rushing KC ran the ball with RBs just 304 times in 2017 (31% of the time). To me this suggests that with Nagy having more versatility in his primary RB(s) he may want to get his backs a similar touch count in a less conventional way. I personally don’t care how our guys get their touches so long as they’re being put in the best situations for them to succeed when they get them, but it suggests more being put on Mitch in 2019 (with which I am fine) and also likely means constant questioning by those who choose to analyze the game through an antiquated lens. Given that Howard is a very traditional RB whose yardage and usage came almost exclusively as a runner those looking to compare him to whoever our RBs are this year will find that not to be as black and white as many might like them to be. What I fear that means is months and months of click bait articles that will never let this dead horse debate die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 It's not only merely dead, it's really most sincerely dead. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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