BleedTheClock Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1. Ed Oliver 2. Nick Bosa 3. TJ Hockenson 4. Quinnen Williams 5. Christian Wilkins 6. Devin White 7. George Aston 8. Clelin Ferrell 9. Josh Allen 10. Deandre Baker 11. Dexter Lawrence 12. Andre Dillard 13. DK Metcalf 14. Garrett Bradbury 15. N'Keal Harry 16. Marquise Brown 17. Joe Jackson 18. Taylor Rapp 19. AJ Brown 20. Chris Lindstrom 21. Diontae Johnson 22. Dwayne Haskins 23. Greg Dortch 24. Jachai Polite 25. Jeffery Simmons 26. Kyler Murray 27. Greedy Williams 28. Devin Bush 29. Montez Sweat 30. Noah Fant 31. Jaquan Johnson 32. Greg Gaines All of these players are at guys I have graded out as AT LEAST "Very good starters." The order of those players is a little wonky and I need to go back and break up several tied grades. Also, I don't factor in positional importance which is why George Aston is so high on my list and Haskins/Murray are so low. I think this is a fairly strong draft class with a great amount of depth in spots like WR, RB, DE, TE, and OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Where is a healthy Simmons? @BleedTheClock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Where is a healthy Simmons? @BleedTheClock Somewhere around 10-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1. Bosa, Williams, Allen, Oliver and I'm considering putting Hockenson in there because he's rare. I think he comes into the NFL with NFL-athleticism and NFL-blocking skills at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Still tinkering with things, but at this point i'd break it down like: 7 Players in my "top tier". Bosa, Allen, Oliver, Quinnen, Hockenson, Jonah, with Metcalf kinda tagging in at the fringes on "upside" even though the risk scares me. Plus 1 QB in Haskins who i'd call "Top-10 worthy", but consider kinda separate since QB is a weird position that doesn't adhere to the normal rules of "draft value" due to it's importance. Then overall, i've got ~20 total guys i'd call solid 1st Rounders (including those 8 above). Wouldn't be at all surprised to see at least one or two of them still available at the beginning of Day 2 though, because that's how it generally works. And by the same token, at the moment i've got more than 32 guys i'd call solid 2nd Rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 30/03/2019 at 2:45 PM, HoboRocket said: I know that I have Thorson graded [significantly] higher than virtually everyone. I also have Zach Allen and AJ Brown rated a bit higher than the majority Thorson seems like such a polarizing prospect. I like him an awful lot too, and i've read blurbs that among numerous NFL scouts surveyed, none had worse than a 3rd round grade on him. But i've also seen plenty of late round grades on him from people who just really don't like him at all. It's always kinda the nature of QBs, either you like 'em and think they could make it, or you don't. But Thorson seems to be extra polarizing for some reason. I see a guy with prototypical size, decent mobility, and a pretty good arm. More accurate than the numbers reflect, with touch, timing and ability to read a defense. Who elevated his program despite a really lackluster supporting cast. Not sure what there is to really dislike there, but evidently there's plenty for some people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 First round grades: QB [1] Haskins RB [NONE] WR [2] DK Metcalf Hakeem Butler TE [2] TJ Hockenson Noah Fant OT [2] Jawaan Taylor Jonah Williams IOL [NONE] EDGE [5/6**] Nick Bosa Josh Allen Clelin Ferrell Montez Sweat Brian Burns Rashan Gary** DI [3/5*] Ed Oliver Quinnen Williams Christian Wilkins Jeffery Simmons* Rashan Gary** LB [2] Devin White Devin Bush CB [2] Greedy Williams Deandre Baker S [NONE] Total: 21 Offense: 7 Defense: 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I really don't have a top tier for this draft. I think this draft you're going to see players being drafted more due to team need than BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Tugboat said: Thorson seems like such a polarizing prospect. I like him an awful lot too, and i've read blurbs that among numerous NFL scouts surveyed, none had worse than a 3rd round grade on him. But i've also seen plenty of late round grades on him from people who just really don't like him at all. It's always kinda the nature of QBs, either you like 'em and think they could make it, or you don't. But Thorson seems to be extra polarizing for some reason. I see a guy with prototypical size, decent mobility, and a pretty good arm. More accurate than the numbers reflect, with touch, timing and ability to read a defense. Who elevated his program despite a really lackluster supporting cast. Not sure what there is to really dislike there, but evidently there's plenty for some people... I think people dislike him because he didn't progress by leaps and bounds this past year. He got better at reading defenses and seeing the field, but his overall game was hurt by the injury he sustained in his bowl game last year. Not to compare him as a player to Russell Wilson, because he's not the same type of QB, different skillset, but a lot of his game depended upon his ability to be mobile in the pocket and there was obviously also the rushing aspect of his game, where he's actually really good - Blake Bortles type mobility. When he got hurt, he lost that aspect of his game and his ability to make up for a weaker O-line and the loss of Justin Jackson diminished. So here's where the Wilson comp comes in: I think it was 2016 where Wilson had the injured MCL, and he learned to play like a different type of QB in order to make his team better. It didn't all happen that season, it wasn't until 2017 where he really was able to apply all that experience and combine it with his restored mobility to really make him great. Thorson this year, with his injury, had to learn the way 2016 Wilson did. He improved his game as a pure pocket passer enough to launch Northwestern to the Big 10 Championship. He still had some mobility, and really fought back to return from a January injury in time to play the whole season - toughness is off the charts. His mobility was only about 60-70% of what is was, though, and it improved as the season progressed. I expect Thorson to make a leap similar to the 16 Wilson vs 17 Wilson. Again, different skillset, different overall type of QB, but similar challenge and situation. And that's the thing with Thorson. He's showed he can grow. He's shown an it factor to make everyone around him better and carry his team. He's had enormous fortitude to come back from the major back injury to play the most starts in Big 10 history. He's a fighter. He can learn. Super high character. Yeah, there were some minor inconsistencies as he tried to do too much (because he had to) and was always in a sticky situation, but he got better. Yeah, maybe not as much as some would like. Maybe that's because he had the back injury. I don't know about you, but I played QB through high school, and it's dang hard to make throws when your back is missed up. Hurts your mobility too. Thorson is a grinder. Steal QB of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.