Draft Prospect RB's Who Fit Physical Profile For Bears Offense

[beardown3231]

3 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

Duke Johnson has requested to be traded...I think he could be an excellent pick up for a late round pick...Davis, Johnson, Cohen & Patterson mixed in is an extremely diverse group of runners.

He's way too similar to Cohen. He's almost not even a running back. He's also going to make about 2.3 million. Pass

[WindyCity]

4 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

Duke Johnson has requested to be traded...I think he could be an excellent pick up for a late round pick...Davis, Johnson, Cohen & Patterson mixed in is an extremely diverse group of runners.

I think the problem with Duke is that he doesn't run the ball. He is a less dynamic Cohen.

[soulman]

3 hours ago, HuskieBear said:

I think it would be hard to flip that pick, since it's conditional

I believe we get a 6th regardless.  Only it rising to a 5th is conditional.

But despite that I don't know why we trade for a vet back with a $2.3 mil cap hit when a rookie may be just as productive.

[Madmike90]

2 hours ago, WindyCity said:

I think the problem with Duke is that he doesn't run the ball. He is a less dynamic Cohen.

I would disagree with that...year on year he has became better at running the ball his career average is 4.3 YPC which might not be great but also isn't bad.

[WindyCity]

13 minutes ago, Madmike90 said:

I would disagree with that...year on year he has became better at running the ball his career average is 4.3 YPC which might not be great but also isn't bad.

379 yards is his career high. I do not think we can rely on 2 guys who have very limited production running the ball.

[Madmike90]

3 hours ago, WindyCity said:

379 yards is his career high. I do not think we can rely on 2 guys who have very limited production running the ball.

But you can rely on one with limited production and a rookie with zero NFL carries? 🤔

[HuskieBear]

8 hours ago, soulman said:

I believe we get a 6th regardless.  Only it rising to a 5th is conditional.

i'm aware. But it's hard to trade a commodity like that a second time on those conditions. Does CLE want a 5th or a 6th? What round does CHI want to give up? What if we gave that pick thinking it's going to be a 6th, but conveys into a 5th? what if CLE expects it to convey into a 5th, but it never does and remains a 6th? I think there are too many variables with conditional picks that come from a 3rd team.

However, that's not to say we can't give them our 6th with conditions of it becoming a 5th, because those conditions are agreed upon to both parties in this transaction

regardless, I think johnson is just a more expensive/less talented cohen - we would need a slightly different type of back to fill JH's old role.

 

[soulman]

1 hour ago, HuskieBear said:

i'm aware. But it's hard to trade a commodity like that a second time on those conditions. Does CLE want a 5th or a 6th? What round does CHI want to give up? What if we gave that pick thinking it's going to be a 6th, but conveys into a 5th? what if CLE expects it to convey into a 5th, but it never does and remains a 6th? I think there are too many variables with conditional picks that come from a 3rd team.

However, that's not to say we can't give them our 6th with conditions of it becoming a 5th, because those conditions are agreed upon to both parties in this transaction

regardless, I think johnson is just a more expensive/less talented cohen - we would need a slightly different type of back to fill JH's old role.

 

Yep, basically the point I'd made in a previous post as well.  Why spend any draft pick and 4x what we pay Cohen for a much lesser player.

If we really want a larger version of Cohen to pair with Davis the draft has several of them who'd also cost us far less than Johnson.

I may end up being wrong but unless another team can get far more production out of him I think Cleveland is gonna have a hard time moving him with his current contract.

[WindyCity]

17 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

But you can rely on one with limited production and a rookie with zero NFL carries? 🤔

No, but a rookie we draft is probably going to be a more balanced back who has carried the load.

The rookie will also be making 1/6 as much.

The rookie will also have the upside that Johnson is lacking as a runner. We know that Johnson is not a full time carry the ball RB.

[dll2000]

I don't think the Bears are looking for a full time carry the ball RB.

I think it is now a specialist/committee position in this offense unless you get an all around do everything freak like a Barkley, Bell or Zeke Elliot.   

 

 

 

 

[Madmike90]

9 hours ago, WindyCity said:

No, but a rookie we draft is probably going to be a more balanced back who has carried the load.

The rookie will also be making 1/6 as much.

The rookie will also have the upside that Johnson is lacking as a runner. We know that Johnson is not a full time carry the ball RB.

You do know in Johnson's final year at Miami he went for over 1,600 yards right? As a prospect he would have been right up there with any of these guys...especially as a fit in this system.

[WindyCity]

3 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

You do know in Johnson's final year at Miami he went for over 1,600 yards right? As a prospect he would have been right up there with any of these guys...especially as a fit in this system.

But we now have 4 years of NFL tape that tells us he is Walmart Tarik Cohen.

I would rather take the risk in the draft and see if we can land a complete back to develop in the offense.

[G08]

On 4/1/2019 at 2:55 PM, Epyon said:

Seeing Henderson's 10 yard split time answers so many questions about how he makes so many break away runs while running a relatively disappointing 40 vs the expectation (it still wasn't slow just not elite speed as perhaps would have been expected given his tape)... 

Henderson is far and away my #1 for this draft, with Sanders as a far and away #2 vs the rest of the pack. 

A 1.42 10 yard split is insane. Miles Sanders is still my favorite overall back that we *could* draft, but Henderson is right after him followed by a cluster with Trayveon Williams and Devin Singletary.

[AZBearsFan]

2 hours ago, WindyCity said:

But we now have 4 years of NFL tape that tells us he is Walmart Tarik Cohen.

I would rather take the risk in the draft and see if we can land a complete back to develop in the offense.

Me too, and while I think there are just a few backs in this draft who can unquestionably be that 1a back for us (most or all of whom won’t make it to 87) I think there are several more capable of handling a 1b role right away along with Davis with 1a potential long term.

I think Davis is going to get a very real chance to win that starting job even if we do select a RB at 87 though. He’s a targeted fit specifically selected by this regime ahead of much bigger names and resumes to fill that specific role, and if he proves capable of handling 15 carries a week and maintaining a 4.2+ ypc I think he may keep it a while too. Nagy made it pretty clear last year that the guys he sees as the best fits and the best players are going to play when he played Mizzell and Cunningham in spots over Howard, Kush initially over Daniels and Bellamy over White. Nobody is getting handed anything here, and that’s the way it should be. A rookie 3+ round RB is going to have to earn his reps. 

Edited April 4, 2019 by AZBearsFan

[Madmike90]

3 hours ago, WindyCity said:

But we now have 4 years of NFL tape that tells us he is Walmart Tarik Cohen.

I would rather take the risk in the draft and see if we can land a complete back to develop in the offense.

At just 25 years old if you offer me him for a 6th or a unproven RB in the 3rd I think I would take the knock off Cohen...RB is a position they clearly don't massively value and are looking for a skill set rather than an elite runner...

I hope one of the guys we all want drops but for me I just don't want to reach for a back in the 3rd if he isn't value for it.