MSURacerDT55 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 His body has maxed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, bananabucket said: The market is not exactly crawling with options. Adding him to the market doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nodisrespect said: Do you think his decline is permanent? Or just a bad year? He's been declining for probably 3 years now. He's also shown to be injury prone a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 He's only 28 so he has time to turn things around. Wouldn't mind the Colts taking a look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: If help is what you need, look elsewhere IMO. Damn that's savage wouldnt mind him in Jville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 For once the Saints secondary looks good. I know Haden was a guy rumored to get traded to NOLA for several years in a row, now that he's available we don't need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Damn that's savage wouldnt mind him in Jville I mean, have a look at the guys we have at CB who are better. It's not exactly a list of all Pro's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, tom cody said: He's only 28 so he has time to turn things around. Wouldn't mind the Colts taking a look at him. You do know he's been trying to do that for the past 3 years right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, sdrawkcab321 said: He's done. His technique is terrible and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it anymore. He should consider a switch to FS because he can't keep up with anyone anymore. I'd be willing to take a flyer on the guy as a FS. It's a position where we are thin, and having a S who can drop into man coverage once in a while would be beneficial. It would be the best pass rush he's ever played with, which would hide his tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said: I'd be willing to take a flyer on the guy as a FS. It's a position where we are thin, and having a S who can drop into man coverage once in a while would be beneficial. It would be the best pass rush he's ever played with, which would hide his tendencies. FS would be his best option IMO, and he might be a solid option there. If he insists on playing CB, perhaps he'd do better in a zone heavy scheme (Tampa 2?) where he doesn't have to have long speed, because it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: FS would be his best option IMO, and he might be a solid option there. If he insists on playing CB, perhaps he'd do better in a zone heavy scheme (Tampa 2?) where he doesn't have to have long speed, because it's gone. Texans run a mix of both - CB Kareem Jackson never had long speed, so he's usually relegated to coverage in the slot (where he does have quickness and instincts to be an asset) or as a S/LB in the box. It would be a tall order to bring him in and teach him the playbook on short notice - this being said, the Texans system is a Romeo Crennel system, so maybe he still has that knowledge from his tenure with Romeo in Cleveland. This is the kind of street FA signing the Texans have a good track record on. S Quentin Demps and LB John Simon were both late additions to the teams and parlayed a few campaigns into big multi year deals with Chicago and Indy, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said: Texans run a mix of both - CB Kareem Jackson never had long speed, so he's usually relegated to coverage in the slot (where he does have quickness and instincts to be an asset) or as a S/LB in the box. It would be a tall order to bring him in and teach him the playbook on short notice - this being said, the Texans system is a Romeo Crennel system, so maybe he still has that knowledge from his tenure with Romeo in Cleveland. This is the kind of street FA signing the Texans have a good track record on. S Quentin Demps and LB John Simon were both late additions to the teams and parlayed a few campaigns into big multi year deals with Chicago and Indy, respectively. All very true. Also, as you noted, the Texans have the talent on defense to really help him out and limit what he's asked to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crickett Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I think you guys are missing two important elements here: 1. Pre-draft, secondary was one of if not the biggest need the Browns had. They had Joe Haden and they needed the rest of a defensive backfield. They drafted one safety and one cornerback. Going into next offseason, their biggest needs looked to be defensive back and wide receiver. They still need cornerback help. They still need safety help (for those of you thinking 'Well maybe Haden can be moved to free safety'. And they cut Joe Haden anyway. 2. The Cleveland Browns have so much cap room, they traded 16 million and a 4th round draft pick to the Texans for a 2nd round draft pick. It's the first time a trade like that has been conducted in the NFL. And they cut Joe Haden anyway. A lot of people suggested maybe their team could sign Darrelle Revis. If he slowed down, maybe they could move him to free safety. Teams were smart enough to recognize Revis offers nothing. He was cut from the most talent deficient team in the NFL and his skillset does not translate to safety. I see Joe Haden as being in a similar situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 hours ago, TheKillerNacho said: Was he really that awful? I'm not saying he was worth the contract for the Browns, but he surely still has some skill to be a contributor. Safety maybe? I completely disagree with those opinions that "he's awful" on our browns forum. He was injured, but some people cannot distinguish injury play and poor play. He played through 2 torn groins last year showing real toughness but indeed struggled to change direction and got beat (as any human playing CB with torn groins would). In the Browns fan base, their are those followers that love the hot take, that call in to the sports radio shows after watching a CB get beat badly one play out of the game despite the CB playing good all game, you know the one's that have never watched an all22 or anything else. Those are most of the takes on Joe Haden in the town. From my perspective, Joe Haden is an apex competitor that is going to put it on the line down in and down out. He's tough as nails and will play through injury. It's simple: he's been hurt badly for two years. Last year, playing through two groin tears he struggled (understandably). The year before, he had a brain injury and couldn't pass concussion protocols. The takes in Cleveland all year were "he's soft...cut him..." "he's a complainer and if he truly loved the game and this teams he'd suit up." The takes reflected a general foolishness that if a player doesn't play he must then be "soft." A lot of it stems from him sitting out a game due to a finger injury back in 2015 where the Coach (Mike Pettine) at the time turned Joe into chum for the piranha tank when intimated that Joe came to the coaches and ruled himself out when in reality Joe had a partially shattered finger near the knuckle, had no use of the hand for press man in a system that plays press all game and didn't want to hurt the team. In a miserable sports town like ours, "soft" player takes and negative takes run the whole sports radio and sports talk scene. Joe was branded soft and this became the lens by which all of his actions were viewed by many of the browns faithful even if being "soft" countered everything about Joe that Urban Meyer and the Florida staff believed about him, and the respect he earned from his teammates by playing through injury. There were few good reports that year of the hell and misery Joe faced due to brain trauma and issues that year and how hard it was to fight back from memory and physio-motor issues. The narratives in cleveland on a terrible team with no pass rush to help the DBs persisted such that "he's soft, can't stay healthy, and should be cut" was the common nonthinkers warcry...all of this without ever thinking about the nature of his injuries. I wouldn't count Joe out. He's a fighter...loved him on the Browns, but injuries took their toll...for a cheap contract he's still a CB1 if healthy despite what the "hot takers" say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, Crickett said: I think you guys are missing two important elements here: 1. Pre-draft, secondary was one of if not the biggest need the Browns had. They had Joe Haden and they needed the rest of a defensive backfield. They drafted one safety and one cornerback. Going into next offseason, their biggest needs looked to be defensive back and wide receiver. They still need cornerback help. They still need safety help (for those of you thinking 'Well maybe Haden can be moved to free safety'. And they cut Joe Haden anyway. 2. The Cleveland Browns have so much cap room, they traded 16 million and a 4th round draft pick to the Texans for a 2nd round draft pick. It's the first time a trade like that has been conducted in the NFL. And they cut Joe Haden anyway. A lot of people suggested maybe their team could sign Darrelle Revis. If he slowed down, maybe they could move him to free safety. Teams were smart enough to recognize Revis offers nothing. He was cut from the most talent deficient team in the NFL and his skillset does not translate to safety. I see Joe Haden as being in a similar situation. Joe Haden played through two torn groins last year...struggled but battled...he's is in no way washed like Revis. Revis was healthy and completely washed...Joe can still play if healthy it's just the Browns weren't confident in a 28 year old with that massive of a contract...that he would remain healthy and play to the level of that contract... He wouldn't renegotiate the contract...so they cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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