AlexGreen#20 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 8 hours ago, vegas492 said: Been thinking about this....Aaron Rodgers. Let's think about Rodgers last year. (Put his old God-like self on the shelf for the moment.) Offensively speaking. 2019. New system, new coach. (Not to mention 2 new faces on the OL) Jones had 1,084 yards. 16 TD rushing. Williams had one rushing TD. (Rodgers got another one himself, rushing.) Let's just say, 17 rushing TD's. Rodgers had 62% completion %, 4002 yards. 26 TD's. 4 Int. Would we be looking at him in a different light, if he had more passes in the red zone and Jones doesn't get 16 TDs? What if Jones has 8 TD's, and we flip the other 8 to Rodgers passes? 62%, 4000+ yards. 34 TD's, 4 INT. I think we all know that the % could be better, but dang, those would have been some IMPRESSIVE passing stats. I'm looking at 2011 now. Picked that because it was the year after the Super Bowl and I think we all can agree, we were pretty stacked on offense. Grant/Starks combined for 3 TD's. (1137 yards combined) Kuhn added in another 4. Call it 7 total. Rodgers was God-like (off of the shelf). 68.3 completion %. 4643 yards. 45 TD's. 6 Int. (Wow) If I arbitrarily subtract 8 TD's and give them to running backs, that's 68.3%, 4,653+ yards. 37 TD's, 6 Int. Now we are eerie similar. Maybe it isn't a clear Rodgers regression as it is the incorporation of the MLF scheme? Maybe there is even more hope for him in year 2 of the offense. Except Rodgers sucked in the redzone. Rodgers had an additional (I'm going to say off the top of my head 5) 5ish TD passes on the redzone from pop passes alone. Those are receiving TDs that are really rushing TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Siman08/OH said: 16 TDs and 2 ints and we need to get rid of this scrub QB. Lol. Packers fans are spoiled rich kids. That's super average if you limit the sample size to redzone production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: That's super average if you limit the sample size to redzone production. Yep. Tied with 6 others for 9th in the league last year. 9 other quarterbacks had 2 or more touchdowns in the red zone. None of the had more interceptions. But don’t tell @Siman08/OH or anyone else who lacks context. 16/2 is otherworldly to them. Also don’t tell them a 5th or 6th round Gardner Minsnew had 16 touchdowns and only 1 interception in his rookie year. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm Edited July 31, 2020 by Outpost31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Mitchel Trubisky had the same 10/1 TD/INT ratio inside the 10 as Rodgers, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 An interception in the red zone is one of the biggest mistakes a QB can make. QB's who throw them regularly don't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Siman08/OH said: 16 TDs and 2 ints and we need to get rid of this scrub QB. Lol. Packers fans are spoiled rich kids. My all-time favourite dig on GB was "Entitled Town." That said, Rodgers hasn't been a world-destroying force for some time now. He ALWAYS was a bit too willing to take a sack from when he first became the starter, but he played at such a high level that was like complaining about the colour of the dash lights on your Ferrari. Now that his level of play has gone from "otherworldly" to more along the lines of "average" (his int % remains phenomenal, but every other metric shows him in the middle...or sometimes near the lowish end....of the pack), the sacks and missed plays become more of a problem. Edited July 31, 2020 by Mr Bad Example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I totally get the fact that Rodgers is averageish in the red zone. Very much get it and understand it. If playing my "arbitrary" game....what if he manages 4 more TD's there next year while taking 4 TD's away from Jones? That is not outside the realm of possibility. That little change happens and those numbers look considerably better. And that change could come from MLF coming up with new red zone passing plays. Or one of our young WR's steps up, or a combination of both. Guess I still feel like Rodgers is not that far away from having elite stats. Probably 4 well designed pick plays should do it. (tongue somewhat in cheek) Stats. Still the elephant in the room is his on field body language. But if he's throwing a few more TD's, my guess is that he's gonna be a happier camper on the field. At least that is my hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 See we got the Rodgers downers back in here, time to get the thread back where it belongs. Rodgers sips tequila now as well as scotch. I appreciate that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: See we got the Rodgers downers back in here, time to get the thread back where it belongs. Rodgers sips tequila now as well as scotch. I appreciate that. Betcha he drinks the good bourbon, too! ...and maybe he worked on his beer chugging game this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 On 7/31/2020 at 8:58 AM, Packerraymond said: See we got the Rodgers downers back in here, time to get the thread back where it belongs. Rodgers sips tequila now as well as scotch. I appreciate that. It’s not being down on Rodgers to rate him accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Outpost31 said: It’s not being down on Rodgers to rate him accurately. And the beat goes on .... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, coachbuns said: And the beat goes on .... again. K, Cher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 These are the only stats that matter right now. This is science. Outside the NFL 100 top 10 AND the Jordan Love pick? ... just give 12 the 2020 MVP right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: These are the only stats that matter right now. This is science. Outside the NFL 100 top 10 AND the Jordan Love pick? ... just give 12 the 2020 MVP right now. MVP +5 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/31/2020 at 6:58 AM, Packerraymond said: See we got the Rodgers downers back in here, time to get the thread back where it belongs. Rodgers sips tequila now as well as scotch. I appreciate that. He doesn't have to watch cars make left turns for hours anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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