PackFan13 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 11:32 AM, incognito_man said: what "aaron rodgers is sabotaging the FO" thing? I've never heard anyone say that at all jokingly recently, or say it seriously ever. Really guy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAH1223 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Arthur Penske said: Been thinking all along it’s not a forgone conclusion he’s gone next year in 12’s mind WELL, he is under contract for 2022. We just have $40M in money OVER THE CAP for 2022 before we do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: I’ve had a few cocktails, but I don’t think you can let a QB playing like this leave in 2022. Oh yeah we can. And we should. Makes no sense finantially to keep him. He's playing well, but not great and he's 38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, FAH1223 said: WELL, he is under contract for 2022. We just have $40M in money OVER THE CAP for 2022 before we do anything. Ya. Deal must be re-done for it to Make sense. Obviously we’re a long ways from 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 The thing with Rodgers is that it could make sense if we could keep the entire band together. We can't so it does not. We have Adams, MVS, Lazard, Tonyan, Patrick, King (yeah lol), Campbell, Sullivan, Bojorquez as FA. We need to make deals for Alexander and Jenkins. Are you bringing Rodgers if that means not resigning Adams, MVS and Tonyan? It makes no sense. He's not taking a vet min deal and kicking the money is not a good idea if you are not a clear contender. Love is starting next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, VonKarman said: The thing with Rodgers is that it could make sense if we could keep the entire band together. We can't so it does not. We have Adams, MVS, Lazard, Tonyan, Patrick, King (yeah lol), Campbell, Sullivan, Bojorquez as FA. We need to make deals for Alexander and Jenkins. Are you bringing Rodgers if that means not resigning Adams, MVS and Tonyan? It makes no sense. He's not taking a vet min deal and kicking the money is not a good idea if you are not a clear contender. Love is starting next year. If Rodgers stays it would be on a reworked deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackFan13 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, VonKarman said: The thing with Rodgers is that it could make sense if we could keep the entire band together. We can't so it does not. We have Adams, MVS, Lazard, Tonyan, Patrick, King (yeah lol), Campbell, Sullivan, Bojorquez as FA. We need to make deals for Alexander and Jenkins. Are you bringing Rodgers if that means not resigning Adams, MVS and Tonyan? It makes no sense. He's not taking a vet min deal and kicking the money is not a good idea if you are not a clear contender. Love is starting next year. What a bad take. You rework the money and 2/3 of those guys listed are JAG's who wont make much/ can be replaced relatively easily. Edited October 17, 2021 by PackFan13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Yeah, and of those 20M that we owe him we could probably only have 5M hit in our 2022 cap. We can make space if we cut the Smiths, cut Cobb (this would piss him by the way). We could probably somehow cave and give Adams a 4Y/110M deal where he only has a 10M cap hit. We would then also not be able to resign any other reciever. Our TE would be Dafney, Lewis and Deguara. Our WR2 would be Tavon Austin 2.0. Malik Taylor would be our Z. No Campbell for us and Jean-Charles oir starting slot cb. Garvin ER2 and Galeai ER3. We would probably win the division cos' the other teams suck right now, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackFiend Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Between his enthusiastic as hell demeanor, praising the front office for signing Campbell off the street, hes coming back next year. “There’s always money in the banana stand” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, VonKarman said: Yeah, and of those 20M that we owe him we could probably only have 5M hit in our 2022 cap. We can make space if we cut the Smiths, cut Cobb (this would piss him by the way). We could probably somehow cave and give Adams a 4Y/110M deal where he only has a 10M cap hit. We would then also not be able to resign any other reciever. Our TE would be Dafney, Lewis and Deguara. Our WR2 would be Tavon Austin 2.0. Malik Taylor would be our Z. No Campbell for us and Jean-Charles oir starting slot cb. Garvin ER2 and Galeai ER3. We would probably win the division cos' the other teams suck right now, but that's about it. we'd have $94 million available if we erase the following contracts and start over next year: Rodgers, Z, Preston, Jaire, Cobb That's plenty to bring back Rodgers, either Z or Preston, Jaire, Adams, Campbell and a TE very, very easily in 2022 cap hits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackFan13 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, VonKarman said: Yeah, and of those 20M that we owe him we could probably only have 5M hit in our 2022 cap. We can make space if we cut the Smiths, cut Cobb (this would piss him by the way). We could probably somehow cave and give Adams a 4Y/110M deal where he only has a 10M cap hit. We would then also not be able to resign any other reciever. Our TE would be Dafney, Lewis and Deguara. Our WR2 would be Tavon Austin 2.0. Malik Taylor would be our Z. No Campbell for us and Jean-Charles oir starting slot cb. Garvin ER2 and Galeai ER3. We would probably win the division cos' the other teams suck right now, but that's about it. Tonyan is nothing special. You can still re-sign some of these guys for fair deals. The drop off in qb play will be far greater than the drop off of any other position if Love starts next year. If Rodgers is gone then you obviously let Adams walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Let's look at the numbers if we go all-in: Currently 33.8M over the cap if we add the rollover. Probably expend 2M more with PS movements. 35.8M Reworking Rodgers deal-> from 19.2M to 5M extra cap hit if you add void years-> down to 21.6M Cutting Z->-15.7M-> down to 5.9; Restructuring Clark->-10M-> -4.1M Restructuring Bakhtiari->-9M-> -13.1M Cutting Preston->-12.5M->-25.6M Extending Adams->+10M->-15.6M Signing draft picks+PS->+6.5M->-9.1M Space for in-season movement->+4M->-5.1M Jaire extension (Elgton's doesn't move the needle)->-4M->-9.1M So you keep Rodgers, extend Adams, get rid of your top 2 ER. Restructure your two big contracts and extend your 1st round pick to make space. You have 10M for movement. You can probably get Tonyan/Campbell, you can't keep either of the Smiths unless you give them a third contract (really don't think that's gonna happen). You can probably fill a couple spots with the draft. So you end up with a QB that might play as well as this year (Top 10 QB) that has a worse team than this year. We might have a contender, but doesn't look like it. I don't see it happening to be honest. We are moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Forgot about Cobb, that would give us a bit more space. Still think you have to rework his deal if Rodgers stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, VonKarman said: Let's look at the numbers if we go all-in: Currently 33.8M over the cap if we add the rollover. Probably expend 2M more with PS movements. 35.8M Reworking Rodgers deal-> from 19.2M to 5M extra cap hit if you add void years-> down to 21.6M Cutting Z->-15.7M-> down to 5.9; Restructuring Clark->-10M-> -4.1M Restructuring Bakhtiari->-9M-> -13.1M Cutting Preston->-12.5M->-25.6M Extending Adams->+10M->-15.6M Signing draft picks+PS->+6.5M->-9.1M Space for in-season movement->+4M->-5.1M Jaire extension (Elgton's doesn't move the needle)->-4M->-9.1M So you keep Rodgers, extend Adams, get rid of your top 2 ER. Restructure your two big contracts and extend your 1st round pick to make space. You have 10M for movement. You can probably get Tonyan/Campbell, you can't keep either of the Smiths unless you give them a third contract (really don't think that's gonna happen). You can probably fill a couple spots with the draft. So you end up with a QB that might play as well as this year (Top 10 QB) that has a worse team than this year. We might have a contender, but doesn't look like it. I don't see it happening to be honest. We are moving on. I'm not following your Rodgers math. He's currently set to count $46mil against the cap. You can shave more than $15mil off that as you indicate above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Norm said: This is the Aaron Rodgers we need to see. I love that trashtalk... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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