JonStark Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Gosh, sure seems to me like Luke struggled with that right up to the very end and it's not far-fetched to assume that for a brief second he would consider killing in TLJ. This x 100. He's always been impulsive. Anyone who tries to deny that is just choosing to ignore it. Just because he finally flips the switch at the end of ROTJ doesn't mean that he's completely unable to have one of those impulses for the rest of his life (let alone one that only lasts a few seconds). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Luke, resisting everything to find the good in his father, Darth Vader, the strongest and one of the most evil men of all time, and try to change him. Little brat nephew shows signs of dark side, welp gonna kill him. C'mon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 People get so hung up on whether or not its in Luke's character to have that moment of weakness. I think everyone is missing the point. For all those that believe its out of character for Luke, it SHOULD inform you just how terrifying the things he saw in Ren's mind was. It was so vile and shocking that even someone as strong with the light as Luke had that reaction. Being out of character lends itself to just how bad Ben Solo's mind was. Instead, everyone gets their britches in a bunch. Luke IS NOT the focus of that scene. He is literally there for the audience to learn about Kylo Ren, one of the main characters. Luke is a SUPPORTING character. That isnt a term that is just used for characters who get less screen time, it actually means something. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: People get so hung up on whether or not its in Luke's character to have that moment of weakness. I think everyone is missing the point. For all those that believe its out of character for Luke, it SHOULD inform you just how terrifying the things he saw in Ren's mind was. It was so vile and shocking that even someone as strong with the light as Luke had that reaction. Being out of character lends itself to just how bad Ben Solo's mind was. Instead, everyone gets their britches in a bunch. Luke IS NOT the focus of that scene. He is literally there for the audience to learn about Kylo Ren, one of the main characters. Luke is a SUPPORTING character. That isnt a term that is just used for characters who get less screen time, it actually means something. Very well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, JonStark said: Very well put. No it isnt. The act to kill his father after threatening his sister after all that he has done. That was an impulse. The act to kill a child who has never committed a crime would be considered by any rational person a psychotic breakdown. Hell in a court of law he would probably be declared legally insane. The thought process was completely unreasonable and irrational. No one in their right mind would say or agree. That was "just a moment of weakness". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: No it isnt. The act to kill his father after threatening his sister after all that he has done. That was an impulse. The act to kill a child who has never committed a crime would be considered by any rational person a psychotic breakdown. Hell in a court of law he would probably be declared legally insane. The thought process was completely unreasonable and irrational. No one in their right mind would say or agree. That was "just a moment of weakness". But it wasn't an act. It was a few seconds of impulse that he quickly dismissed based off of the magnitude of the evil he saw. Again... 2 hours ago, JonStark said: He's always been impulsive. Anyone who tries to deny that is just choosing to ignore it. Just because he finally flips the switch at the end of ROTJ doesn't mean that he's completely unable to have one of those impulses for the rest of his life (let alone one that only lasts a few seconds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Imagine you can time travel and you're standing over a 16 year old sleeping Hitler knowing everything that comes after. The thought wouldn't cross your mind? No impulse to end it there? I'll call bull**** if you say otherwise. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: Hell in a court of law he would probably be declared legally insane. Also, why do people always try to compare fantasy worlds like this to real life? Pretty sure people these days don't have special superpowers that allow them to see into somebody's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, THE DUKE said: Imagine you can time travel and you're standing over a 16 year old sleeping Hitler knowing everything that comes after. The thought wouldn't cross your mind? No impulse to end it there? I'll call bull**** if you say otherwise. @Calvert28 would call child services on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Again, this all goes to show that some of us saw the movie one way and others saw it another. Usually filmmakers want that. It is what it is. People love TLJ, people hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: Imagine you can time travel and you're standing over a 16 year old sleeping Hitler knowing everything that comes after. The thought wouldn't cross your mind? No impulse to end it there? I'll call bull**** if you say otherwise. Impulsive Luke who according to all of you was irrational, arrogant, short sighted (which leads to impulsiveness), basically everything a Jedi Master isnt can time travel to see what Ben was gonna become? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, JonStark said: Also, why do people always try to compare fantasy worlds like this to real life? Pretty sure people these days don't have special superpowers that allow them to see into somebody's future. Because the real world makes the movies and puts real world people, politics, etc into it and given them extraordinary circumstances, events, and or powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: Because the real world makes the movies and puts real world people, politics, etc into it and given them extraordinary circumstances, events, and or powers. But the characters (which is what we are discussing, right?) aren't real people. They might as well be considered aliens compared to humans with the special powers they have. Comparing Luke Skywalker, a Jedi master with the ability to see into the future, to someone in today's world that would be held in a court of law makes zero sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, JonStark said: But it wasn't an act. It was a few seconds of impulse that he quickly dismissed based off of the magnitude of the evil he saw. Again... He drew out his lightsaber. That is an act. He ignited it. That is an act. He brought it up to swing down at an innocent child. That is an act. Just because he stopped himself doesnt mean what he was doing wasnt any less vile. What you people fail to realize is that there is a difference between an act and a thought. There are many people who are obsessed with murder, who post about it, who talk about. But you know who gets the police called on them? The one who buys assault weapons and calls the school telling them they want recreate Columbine. Why? Because the act is putting the thought into motion. You dont govern thought, nor do you kill people over it. What kind of **** logic is that? And you sure as hell dont just say well it was a moment of weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, JonStark said: But the characters (which is what we are discussing, right?) aren't real people. They might as well be considered aliens compared to humans with the special powers they have. Comparing Luke Skywalker, a Jedi master with the ability to see into the future, to someone in today's world that would be held in a court of law makes zero sense. He didnt see into anyone's future. He saw Ben's thoughts. That is all. Also we push real world morals into movies all the time. Like murdering children is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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