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10 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said:

Allow me to explain, Zeke was suspended under the DV policy and therefore was subject to the COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED punishment for first time offense, 6 game suspension.  Foster was fined by the NFL under the conduct detrimental policy for being a moron who continues to mess around with a girl who has not only falsely accused him of assault previously, but had a history of making false accusations prior to their relationship, and was told by the team to stay away from her.  That's why the 2 punishments are vastly different.  One guy was determined to commit dv based on the preponderance of the evidence, the other was determined to be an idiot falsely accused twice by the same woman, or also known as not committing dv.  It's not that difficult to understand

Ok. To the poster I'm responding too as well as the Cowboy haters liking it and anyone else who doesn't know the Zeke situation. Zeke was accused of DV against his GF who posted pics online of bruises she supposedly incurred from him yanking her out of her car. The difference between the two situatiuons is that Goodell went out of his way to make a statement by punishing Zeke. The statement was not needed for Foster because the bad press had passed by this point.

Even after charges had been dropped by the police because of conflicting statements not to mention the bruising itself seemed to be self inflicted because of constant contact from Thompson to Zeke threatening blackmail and even selling a sextape which Zeke was able to prove to the NFL from his phone (something even Brady didn't hand over). The reason you can assume self inflicted based on that statemetn because women who try to leave abusive relationships don't go stalking their abusers and threaten over a several month period of time, including dating one of their teammates to send messages to them detailing it just to piss them off.

Lisa Friel who headed the investigation even admitted Thompson gave misleading information about the incidents (she lied basically). She also stonewalled the Lead Investigator Kia Roberts from presenting evidence that she claimed would have exonerated Zeke and claimed he should serve no suspension. Roberts who suggested no suspension was essentially fired 6 months after the NFL made it's decision.

Now if a detective says there is no crime for murder but the judge still sentence's the man for murder, would you still use the word preponderance in regards to the evidence? Zeke who before this woman had never been in trouble in his life is guilty as sin by Goodell. Foster who hasn't had problems with just his GF got kicked out of the combine because of weed and a verbal altercation with the medical staff and was originally charged with having an assult weapon before pleading down has had a few encounters with the law. Now the guy isn't Rae Curruth. But don't bash Zeke when it was essentially the same situation of BS coming from spiteful money grabbers.

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1 hour ago, Calvert28 said:

Ok. To the poster I'm responding too as well as the Cowboy haters liking it and anyone else who doesn't know the Zeke situation. Zeke was accused of DV against his GF who posted pics online of bruises she supposedly incurred from him yanking her out of her car. The difference between the two situatiuons is that Goodell went out of his way to make a statement by punishing Zeke. The statement was not needed for Foster because the bad press had passed by this point.

Even after charges had been dropped by the police because of conflicting statements not to mention the bruising itself seemed to be self inflicted because of constant contact from Thompson to Zeke threatening blackmail and even selling a sextape which Zeke was able to prove to the NFL from his phone (something even Brady didn't hand over). The reason you can assume self inflicted based on that statemetn because women who try to leave abusive relationships don't go stalking their abusers and threaten over a several month period of time, including dating one of their teammates to send messages to them detailing it just to piss them off.

Lisa Friel who headed the investigation even admitted Thompson gave misleading information about the incidents (she lied basically). She also stonewalled the Lead Investigator Kia Roberts from presenting evidence that she claimed would have exonerated Zeke and claimed he should serve no suspension. Roberts who suggested no suspension was essentially fired 6 months after the NFL made it's decision.

Now if a detective says there is no crime for murder but the judge still sentence's the man for murder, would you still use the word preponderance in regards to the evidence? Zeke who before this woman had never been in trouble in his life is guilty as sin by Goodell. Foster who hasn't had problems with just his GF got kicked out of the combine because of weed and a verbal altercation with the medical staff and was originally charged with having an assult weapon before pleading down has had a few encounters with the law. Now the guy isn't Rae Curruth. But don't bash Zeke when it was essentially the same situation of BS coming from spiteful money grabbers.

No, that's not the difference, the difference is that a team of investigators, including former prosecutors, FBI agents, forensics investigators reached the conclusion that there was enough evidence to meet the preponderance of evidence standard in Zeke's case.  Which means 51% certainty, or more likely than not.  It's a civil legal standard.  Not a criminal one.  In Foster's case there was no determination of preponderance of evidence standard being met for dv.  Therefore he was not punished under the dv policy.  It's really not rocket science.  For anybody who is not emotionally invested in Zeke or the cowboys, and who understands how the civil legal system works, it's pretty clear.  You can bring up that the investigators believed the victim had given false statements, that you think the bruises were self inflicted, or that you clearly dont understand the complex psychology of abusive relationships.  The very experienced, very professional, very knowledgable investigators knew everything that you stated and still felt that there was enough evidence to meet the preponderance standard.  The NFL conducted the most thorough and transparent investigation they ever have in Zeke's case but Cowboy fans still seem to think it's only bc Goodell was out to get the Cowboys and Zeke.  Stop, remove your fandom, and look at things objectively.  This was a grade A team of Investigators who said there was enough there to believe something was more likely to have happened than not.  They presented compelling evidence both scientific and testimonial.  The NFL didnt screw Zeke, Zeke got the prescribed punishment from collective bargaining based on his actions.  LET IT GO

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26 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said:

No, that's not the difference, the difference is that a team of investigators, including former prosecutors, FBI agents, forensics investigators reached the conclusion that there was enough evidence to meet the preponderance of evidence standard in Zeke's case

The "Lead investigator" interviewed the accuser on more than one occasion, felt that her story was BS and recommended no punishment for Elliott. Mind you, this was after a 13-month investigation. The evidence that the NFL compiled in the report was jam full with affidavits, two from off-duty cops and one from the accuser's friend, stating that the accuser got into a brawl with another female outside of a club. It also contained cell phone texts from the accuser threatening to "ruin his career" and even texts of her coaching her friend on what to say to the cops. 

According to you and others, Foster just had a "psycho GF", that's all. It's not his fault he's dumb, you say. Cool.  Well, Zeke had that in spades with that nutcase. Her sleeping with his teammate to get back at him, texting/emailing/calling him non-stop, even towards the end of the investigation, etc.  Bottom line: She was mad that he was heading off to the NFL and wasn't taking her along for the ride.

But regardless.  Foster either gets NO FINE or 6-game suspension in regards to Domestic Violence Policy.  Why does he have a two game-check fine? Goodell is just making stuff up as he goes again.

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42 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said:

No, that's not the difference, the difference is that a team of investigators, including former prosecutors, FBI agents, forensics investigators reached the conclusion that there was enough evidence to meet the preponderance of evidence standard in Zeke's case.  Which means 51% certainty, or more likely than not.  It's a civil legal standard.  Not a criminal one.  In Foster's case there was no determination of preponderance of evidence standard being met for dv.  Therefore he was not punished under the dv policy.  It's really not rocket science.  For anybody who is not emotionally invested in Zeke or the cowboys, and who understands how the civil legal system works, it's pretty clear.  You can bring up that the investigators believed the victim had given false statements, that you think the bruises were self inflicted, or that you clearly dont understand the complex psychology of abusive relationships.  The very experienced, very professional, very knowledgable investigators knew everything that you stated and still felt that there was enough evidence to meet the preponderance standard.  The NFL conducted the most thorough and transparent investigation they ever have in Zeke's case but Cowboy fans still seem to think it's only bc Goodell was out to get the Cowboys and Zeke.  Stop, remove your fandom, and look at things objectively.  This was a grade A team of Investigators who said there was enough there to believe something was more likely to have happened than not.  They presented compelling evidence both scientific and testimonial.  The NFL didnt screw Zeke, Zeke got the prescribed punishment from collective bargaining based on his actions.  LET IT GO

And you clearly didn't read this tidbit otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to contradict yourself posting.

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 She also stonewalled the Lead Investigator Kia Roberts from presenting evidence that she claimed would have exonerated Zeke and claimed he should serve no suspension. Roberts who suggested no suspension was essentially fired 6 months after the NFL made it's decision.

Gonna watch this while you think of a reply since GOT is over.

 

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So because Zeke was unjustly suspended for false accusations, that means Foster should be too?

 

MAYBE this is the NFLs way of admitting that they made a mistake with regards to Zeke's case

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8 hours ago, ///mcompact said:

The "Lead investigator" interviewed the accuser on more than one occasion, felt that her story was BS and recommended no punishment for Elliott. Mind you, this was after a 13-month investigation. The evidence that the NFL compiled in the report was jam full with affidavits, two from off-duty cops and one from the accuser's friend, stating that the accuser got into a brawl with another female outside of a club. It also contained cell phone texts from the accuser threatening to "ruin his career" and even texts of her coaching her friend on what to say to the cops. 

According to you and others, Foster just had a "psycho GF", that's all. It's not his fault he's dumb, you say. Cool.  Well, Zeke had that in spades with that nutcase. Her sleeping with his teammate to get back at him, texting/emailing/calling him non-stop, even towards the end of the investigation, etc.  Bottom line: She was mad that he was heading off to the NFL and wasn't taking her along for the ride.

But regardless.  Foster either gets NO FINE or 6-game suspension in regards to Domestic Violence Policy.  Why does he have a two game-check fine? Goodell is just making stuff up as he goes again.

First of all where did I say it wasnt Foster's fault? I said he did not commit dv based on the evidence, therefore doesnt get a 6 game suspension.  If you look back to my comments when the accusation was made, you'll find that I'm very much intellectually consistent.  I always say, "let's wait for the evidence" "presumption of innocence", etc.  However when Fosters 2nd accusation came, and I found out it was the same woman as before, I said that Foster is a moron and had cost himself millions and possibly his career bc he made some awful decisions.  Its 100% his fault, and 100% not DV.  He was fined 2 game checks for conduct detrimental, or "tarnishing the shield" by dragging the leagues name thru the mud with his poor decisions.  I've also been pretty forward with my stance on Hunt.  I'm not some Zeke hater, I'm someone who understands civil law.  

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8 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

And you clearly didn't read this tidbit otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to contradict yourself posting.

Gonna watch this while you think of a reply since GOT is over.

 

Who was the lead investigator, Lisa Friel or Kia Robert's since you have claimed both and that one was stonewalling the other.  I suggest you go read THE INGESTIGATIVE TEAMS FINDINGS, since the NFL put it up for everyone to see.  Then I need you to come to this realization, what the team recommended for punishment doesnt matter.  Whether Goddell thought Zeke deserved no punishment or to be fired and never allowed to come back to the NFL doesnt matter.  The NFL and the NFLPA collectively bargained the DV policy.  There is no wiggle room, there is nothing anyone can do.  If an investigation reveals that it is more likely than not that DV occurred, then its 6 games a first offense, season 2nd offense, indefinite suspension 3rd offense.  These punishments can not be altered without the approval of the NFLPA.  The investigators, as a team, came to the conclusion that it was more likely than not, that is not in dispute.  That is a fact.  Once that occurred Zeke got the prescribed punishment for a first offense.  There is no conspiracy, there is no unfair treatment.  There is only those facts.

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11 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

.Now if a detective says there is no crime for murder but the judge still sentence's the man for murder, would you still use the word preponderance in regards to the evidence? 

This is where you show that you dont know anything you are speaking about when it comes to law.  Preponderance of the evidence is the standard for civil court.  Not a criminal standard which is a much more strict "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.  I believe in the presumption of innocence, it is the foundation of our justice system. That is the criminal side.  The civil side has no presumption of innocence.  And the judge didnt sentence the defendant, that's a horrible analogy.  Here would be the analogy in the criminal world: somebody was convicted by a jury of their peers, but the jury recommended no jail time in the sentence.  The charge however came with a mandatory 1 year sentence, so the judge's hands were tied. Then the family of the defendant accused the judge of being biased against the defendant and his family.  That's the better criminal analogy, and in both cases blaming the punishments on the guy who handed down the sentence is stupid.

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Good for him, good for the Skins, and good for the NFL for getting all of the facts before making a decision

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3 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said:

Who was the lead investigator, Lisa Friel or Kia Robert's since you have claimed both and that one was stonewalling the other.  I suggest you go read THE INGESTIGATIVE TEAMS FINDINGS, since the NFL put it up for everyone to see.  Then I need you to come to this realization, what the team recommended for punishment doesnt matter.  Whether Goddell thought Zeke deserved no punishment or to be fired and never allowed to come back to the NFL doesnt matter.  The NFL and the NFLPA collectively bargained the DV policy.  There is no wiggle room, there is nothing anyone can do.  If an investigation reveals that it is more likely than not that DV occurred, then its 6 games a first offense, season 2nd offense, indefinite suspension 3rd offense.  These punishments can not be altered without the approval of the NFLPA.  The investigators, as a team, came to the conclusion that it was more likely than not, that is not in dispute.  That is a fact.  Once that occurred Zeke got the prescribed punishment for a first offense.  There is no conspiracy, there is no unfair treatment.  There is only those facts.

Robert's was the lead investigator. Friel oversaw everything for Goodell. If you read the evidence you would know that. So feel free to go back through it to come up with a better argument. 

Robert's was the one who came to the conclusion that he should serve no sentence. The LEAD investigator, Friel decided to not only toss out evidence she found but to ignore her council entirely. That entire thing contradicts your statement about the investigative team coming to the conclusion that he was guilty which clearly they did not. The one who was in charge of the investigative team decided he was innocent and the one who did nothing but review the finding decided to include evidence she wanted and the council she wanted which is shady to say the least. And it is not the 1st time she has been accused of being shady in regards to cases. 

So you are infact wrong. 

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On 12/04/2019 at 10:01 PM, 49erurtaza said:

We cut him for the same reason chiefs cut Hunt. 

Was there footage then?

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16 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Robert's was the lead investigator. Friel oversaw everything for Goodell. If you read the evidence you would know that. So feel free to go back through it to come up with a better argument. 

Robert's was the one who came to the conclusion that he should serve no sentence. The LEAD investigator, Friel decided to not only toss out evidence she found but to ignore her council entirely. That entire thing contradicts your statement about the investigative team coming to the conclusion that he was guilty which clearly they did not. The one who was in charge of the investigative team decided he was innocent and the one who did nothing but review the finding decided to include evidence she wanted and the council she wanted which is shady to say the least. And it is not the 1st time she has been accused of being shady in regards to cases. 

So you are infact wrong. 

You are contradicting yourself, and I read the report, granted 2 years ago, but I read it and it was a solid basis of again, a more likely than not.  The team's job wasnt to determine guilt or innocence, it was to make a decision of whether or not the evidence met a "more likely than not" standard.  You, like many others, operate under the fallacy that the team would or should have to prove that dv was committed, and believe that proof has to be all encompassing and can not fall under question. It doesn't.  It merely has to be enough to show that it is 51% or more likely to have occurred.  That was demonstrated through the evidence.  Did Zeke beat and abuse the victim? We dont know, nor is it for us, or the NFLs investigators to come to that conclusion.  The question put in front of the investigators was "is it more likely than not that some form of DV has occurred"?  Again this was the most thorough and transparent investigation the NFL has ever conducted in these matters. It's time to just LET IT GO!

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2 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

Was there footage then?

Actually the NFL reviewed footage from in front of the hotel.

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Well, at least Goodell and the NFL are consistent when it comes to punishments.

Oh, wait......

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