buddy_z34 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: I still don't get why people think Bucky even deserved it. He still has LOTS of "red in his ledger" to make up for before he's even close to deserving the shield/title of Captain America. Didnt Bucky help them out enough tho? Infinity War plus Endgame. That's more than enough for the red that he's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, buddy_z34 said: Didnt Bucky help them out enough tho? Infinity War plus Endgame. That's more than enough for the red that he's done. He's assassinated and murdered dozens (if not 100+) of people in his life. Killing a few alien dogs isn't enough to make up for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddy_z34 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, seminoles1 said: He's assassinated and murdered dozens (if not 100+) of people in his life. Killing a few alien dogs isn't enough to make up for that. He participated, not once but twice in saving the universe. He faded into dust, costing him his life. He may have killed 100+ but he made the ultimate sacrifice. They failed the first time but still. He helped saved trillions in the entire universe. Now you tell me which outweighs which? 100+ or trillions? Plus Cap was closer to Bucky than Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, buddy_z34 said: He participated, not once but twice in saving the universe. He faded into dust, costing him his life. He may have killed 100+ but he made the ultimate sacrifice. They failed the first time but still. He helped saved trillions in the entire universe. Now you tell me which outweighs which? 100+ or trillions? Plus Cap was closer to Bucky than Sam Sam did all of those things without murdering hundreds of people. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: I still don't get why people think Bucky even deserved it. He still has LOTS of "red in his ledger" to make up for before he's even close to deserving the shield/title of Captain America. That's kind of the point. He doesn't deserve it. It would be a redemption angle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: He's assassinated and murdered dozens (if not 100+) of people in his life. Killing a few alien dogs isn't enough to make up for that. He was also brainwashed into doing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Going to watch again tomorrow morning. I'm seeing and reading all of these arguments, and see valid points - and unlike any other movie, I simply don't care. I'm so satisfied with this movie that all of this back and forth really doesn't register with me. That might change tomorrow, but for now - I'm very happy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 51 minutes ago, theJ said: He was also brainwashed into doing it. The world doesn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: The world doesn't know that. Sure. But the world doesn't have to know who is behind the mask either. Steve stopped wearing a mask somewhere along the way (and apparently so did Iron Man in Endgame lol, going into battle against Thanos without his headgear - what was that about???). But the mask could make a comeback. I'm all for what they did, btw. Don't mind that Bucky isn't Cap. Even though he was brainwashed and has been helping, it's pretty obvious he's not a completely virtuous character. He still has some things to work out before he's worthy of carrying the shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, theJ said: He was also brainwashed into doing it. Doesn't really matter though. It would be a hard sell to the public. Especially for people that knew the victims. Sam has zero baggage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: Doesn't really matter though. It would be a hard sell to the public. Especially for people that knew the victims. Sam has zero baggage. If they knew who was behind the mask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, theJ said: Sure. But the world doesn't have to know who is behind the mask either. Steve stopped wearing a mask somewhere along the way (and apparently so did Iron Man in Endgame lol, going into battle against Thanos without his headgear - what was that about???). But the mask could make a comeback. I'm all for what they did, btw. Don't mind that Bucky isn't Cap. Even though he was brainwashed and has been helping, it's pretty obvious he's not a completely virtuous character. He still has some things to work out before he's worthy of carrying the shield. After what happened in Civil War with the accords fallout, and aiding a terrorist, Steve put down the mask, and the shield. He essentially donned his Nomad persona from the comics. He wasn't a symbol for America anymore, and he felt he he didn't deserve to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/30/2019 at 11:31 AM, The Gnat said: Yeah, Secret Invasion has to happen sometime. You wouldn't introduce the Skrull in Captain Marvel if they aren't going to show up and be a long term bad guy. I am thinking we'll get more build towards that in GotG 3. I could definitely see Thor ending up being a Skrull, would give more impact and make sense since he's in space. Watch for his eyes to change slightly again. Kang would be an interesting option, though I feel like a larger villain who would need more of an arc, I'm not sure who I'd want the Loki level villain in the new arc.... I was just thinking about this comment (i know, digging back several pages). The Thor we saw all throughout Endgame was definitely not a Skrull. A Skrull would not have been able to wield Mjolnir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, theJ said: If they knew who was behind the mask. I'd have preferred Bucky as the new Cap over Sam too but the public knows who he is after his identity was announced in Civil War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, theJ said: If they knew who was behind the mask. Why even take that risk? Captain America was never predicated on a lie, and shouldn't be. Also, people knew who Steve Rogers was. No Avenger was in the dark. Edited May 1, 2019 by PapaShogun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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