Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

[drfrey13]

https://footballmaven.io/nfldraftscout/news/troubling-results-at-clemson-pro-day-could-play-big-role-in-2019-nfl-draft-oYq80PRp4kGsA0mh_Ilsug/

He is a good player but had no business going 4.  This article sums up my feelings pretty well.  I will not be disappointed he is a Raider but I will be disappointed where we got him.

[LVRaiders99]

Ferrell was a big reach. He was a mid to late 1st round talent. He has a high floor and will likely be good, but in the top 5, you should be aiming for better. Pretty disappointing.

[Bitty 2.0]

32 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

I would not call him the most dominant and would say Allen outproduced him while being the focal point of opposing teams.  Ferrell was beating TEs 1v1 a lot because the other linemen commanded a lot of attention.

*2016	Clemson	ACC	FR	DE	14	21	23	44	12.5	6.0	0	0		0	2	0			0
*2017	Clemson	ACC	SO	DE	14	33	33	66	18.0	9.5	0	0		0	1	0			2
*2018	Clemson	ACC	JR	DE	15	29	26	55	20.0	11.5	0	0		0	2	1		1	3

 

*2016	Kentucky	SEC	SO	LB	13	32	30	62	8.5	7.0	0	0		0	0	0			4
*2017	Kentucky	SEC	JR	LB	13	32	34	66	10.5	7.0	1	14	14.0	0	3	0			2
*2018	Kentucky	SEC	SR	LB	13	56	32	88	21.5	17.0	0	0		0	4	2			5

 

Now I do not like going off of just stats but it is part of the evaluation.  I like both players but would have taken Allen over Ferrell.

He’s an OLB

[NCOUGHMAN]

58 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

 

Athletically he is closer to Zach Allen then he is Mack.  He is slow and not explosive and that is why he choose to not take part in certain drills.  That is also a reason why he would have fallen.  You should never judge a player based on the pre-draft process but you should not be okay with going without the athletic information either.  Ferrell would have run a 4.9-5 second forty which would have knocked him down so he made a good choice and we bought it.  Good for him sucks for us.  Just watch some games and you will see he is the least explosive member of that line.

For the person asking about who I would take at 4 my guy has been White outside the top 3 and have said I think he is a top 2 player if you ignore positional importance.

Disagree I think cle is waaaaaaay more athletic than Zach I think cle is somewhere between Bosa and josh al in terms of speed and athleticism 

[big_palooka]

After the Nat'l Championship game, where he dominated the #11 over all pick on occasion you walked away saying, this dude is the real deal. 

The pre-draft process and draft twitter start the media hype machine for potential over production. Athletic testing over consistency and that's what leads to these reactions.

 

[Rich7sena]

29 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

After the Nat'l Championship game, where he dominated the #11 over all pick on occasion you walked away saying, this dude is the real deal. 

The pre-draft process and draft twitter start the media hype machine for potential over production. Athletic testing over consistency and that's what leads to these reactions.

 

One play isn't dominating. I haven't fully re-watched the matchup, but I remember hearing on some podcast that Jonah really won the day, but just not that play. Jonah himself said he tried to do something different to Clelin on that play and he felt completely comfortable one every other snap.

I've tried to get behind this pick and I just can't. I don't see anything special in the guy to warrant the #4 overall pick--especially with Josh Allen still on the board. This seems like a Guenther pick through and through.

[TiberiusRising]

I like it dont love. But I for sure trust Mayock and really glad we didnt go QB with Murray gone. Everyone else was bunched up for me. 

[RaidersAreOne]

40 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

After the Nat'l Championship game, where he dominated the #11 over all pick on occasion you walked away saying, this dude is the real deal. 

The pre-draft process and draft twitter start the media hype machine for potential over production. Athletic testing over consistency and that's what leads to these reactions.

 

I also love hearing players and coaches talk about how he was the heart of that D. Everyone considered him the guy.

[Geezy]

1 hour ago, drfrey13 said:

I would not call him the most dominant and would say Allen outproduced him while being the focal point of opposing teams.  Ferrell was beating TEs 1v1 a lot because the other linemen commanded a lot of attention.

*2016	Clemson	ACC	FR	DE	14	21	23	44	12.5	6.0	0	0		0	2	0			0
*2017	Clemson	ACC	SO	DE	14	33	33	66	18.0	9.5	0	0		0	1	0			2
*2018	Clemson	ACC	JR	DE	15	29	26	55	20.0	11.5	0	0		0	2	1		1	3

 

*2016	Kentucky	SEC	SO	LB	13	32	30	62	8.5	7.0	0	0		0	0	0			4
*2017	Kentucky	SEC	JR	LB	13	32	34	66	10.5	7.0	1	14	14.0	0	3	0			2
*2018	Kentucky	SEC	SR	LB	13	56	32	88	21.5	17.0	0	0		0	4	2			5

 

Now I do not like going off of just stats but it is part of the evaluation.  I like both players but would have taken Allen over Ferrell.

Yea, take the guy that doesn’t fit our defense. There’s no way Allen holds up as a 3 down DE in Guenthers defense. So, what pass up on a prototype 4-3 end, for a situational pass rusher? Everyone is talking about value, but then ask them what they would have done and they say take a OLB or MLB lol wtf 

[drfrey13]

37 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Disagree I think cle is waaaaaaay more athletic than Zach I think cle is somewhere between Bosa and josh al in terms of speed and athleticism 

Not even close.  What he does works well in the college game but his pass rush is more like LeVeon Bell type efficiency.  Ferrell is not athletic or explosive but efficient.  He makes very few missteps.  I define Ferrell game as "slow is smooth and smooth is fast".  I think Ferrell will be that guy that plays the run great, gets a ton of pressures but very rarely gets to the QB.  He will be a great base end but I do not take a base end top five unless I think he is going to get 8-12 sacks per year.  You do not need to watch full games of Ferrell to tell he is not explosive or athletic.  His teammates jump off the page in his highlights more than he does.  There is a reason why he did not run a 40 for anyone.  It was a smart move on his part but stupid for us.  For a player that is explosive on tape I do not need to see a 40 except for my curiosity but a player like Ferrell I definitely want to see his athletic numbers.  He looked slow in drills at the combine. 

https://footballmaven.io/nfldraftscout/news/troubling-results-at-clemson-pro-day-could-play-big-role-in-2019-nfl-draft-oYq80PRp4kGsA0mh_Ilsug/

"Ferrell had run some of the timed drills at the Combine but he did not perform particularly well in the short shuttle (4.40, tied for 7th among 15 edge rushers tested in this event) and 3-cone drill (7.26 seconds, 11th of 16 tested) and has yet to run a 40-yard dash for scouts."

[raidr4life]

48 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

After the Nat'l Championship game, where he dominated the #11 over all pick on occasion you walked away saying, this dude is the real deal. 

The pre-draft process and draft twitter start the media hype machine for potential over production. Athletic testing over consistency and that's what leads to these reactions.

 

Bravo!

[drfrey13]

2 minutes ago, Geezy said:

Yea, take the guy that doesn’t fit our defense. There’s no way Allen holds up as a 3 down DE in Guenthers defense. So, what pass up on a prototype 4-3 end, for a situational pass rusher? Everyone is talking about value, but then ask them what they would have done and they say take a OLB or MLB lol wtf 

Take Allen play him at SLB in base and edge on passing downs.  If he develops then bring him down to a full time DE like we did Mack.  You do realize that Allen and Ferrell are the same size.  The 2 lb difference is just in the hands.  If you want to stop Mahomes you need players that can catch him.  White, Allen, and Sweat had that closing burst.  Ferrell does not.  It sure will be fun watching PM just jog away from him out of the pocket with his eyes downfield knowing he does not have to worry about being hit.  The other guys would have forced him to get rid of it early because he would not know when the backside pressure would get there.  That is the difference you need to see in the UnderArmor/Underwear Olympics.  

[bucksavage1]

Ferrell is an Elite Defender and a scheme fit at the biggest position of need. Case closed.

Don't let BSPN and co trash the raiders like they always do. Just like they showed that perfectly planted "raider fan" right after the pick with the smerk

[raidr4life]

3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Take Allen play him at SLB in base and edge on passing downs.  If he develops then bring him down to a full time DE like we did Mack.  You do realize that Allen and Ferrell are the same size.  The 2 lb difference is just in the hands.  If you want to stop Mahomes you need players that can catch him.  White, Allen, and Sweat had that closing burst.  Ferrell does not.  It sure will be fun watching PM just jog away from him out of the pocket with his eyes downfield knowing he does not have to worry about being hit.  The other guys would have forced him to get rid of it early because he would not know when the backside pressure would get there.  That is the difference you need to see in the UnderArmor/Underwear Olympics.  

Dude they had Allen and Ferrell in the building on the same day and came away liking Ferrell. If you think any DL can catch Mahomes you way off, you have to contain him and give him nowhere to go.

Edited April 26, 2019 by raidr4life

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