2019 Packers Defense Would You Look At It? Just Look At It!

[Joe]

I think it's a player issue and nothing to do with injuries. We just don't have any depth at IDL after Clark; it's just that simple. You can't keep that turd polished the entire season like you did in the first 8 games. We needed to trade for an IDL and we didn't. Now we get to pay for that misstep. Fortunately, this upcoming draft class is stocked with what we need in general: linemen. 

[MacReady]

Just now, Joe said:

I think it's a player issue and nothing to do with injuries. We just don't have any depth at IDL after Clark; it's just that simple. You can't keep that turd polished the entire season like you did in the first 8 games. We needed to trade for an IDL and we didn't. Now we get to pay for that misstep. Fortunately, this upcoming draft class is stocked with what we need in general: linemen. 

If this was true, the Patriots would be the worst defense in the NFL. 

The Patriots are literally made up of undrafted and 5th-7th round picks all along the front.  They have talent in the secondary, but so do we.  Our defense up front is basically, "Do what you physically cannot do." 

Blake Martinez covering running backs and faster tight ends is literally stupid. 
Asking Kenny to do the job of two players every single play is literally stupid. 
Asking Adrian Amos to play a stupid meaningless position that run happy teams beg for is literally stupid.
Throwing out Redmond is literally stupid. 
Having single linebacker looks almost all damn game is literally stupid. 

 

[gopackgo247]

 

[TheOnlyThing]

1 hour ago, Joe said:

I think it's a player issue and nothing to do with injuries. We just don't have any depth at IDL after Clark; it's just that simple. You can't keep that turd polished the entire season like you did in the first 8 games. We needed to trade for an IDL and we didn't. Now we get to pay for that misstep. Fortunately, this upcoming draft class is stocked with what we need in general: linemen. 

Don't disagree that the "talent" besides Clark is lacking at IDL.

However, I think it is also true that Martinez has morphed into just the type "assignment sure" signal caller who is a liability in practically every other aspect of the game that for some reason Green Bay has been so willing to feature in the middle of its crappy defenses over the past 9 years.

Seems like the notion that the Pack will not pay Blake the $ he believes is picking up steam and who knows if his potentially impending exit is contributing to his poor play.

“In the past six weeks, the Packers’ defense ranks 31st in yards per play allowed, 30th in net yards per pass play, 30th in big completions, 23rd in points per game, 24th in sack percentage and 26th on third down. Someone who takes quite a bit of the blame for these issues is Blake Martinez and he has for the last few years. Now, by no means does this all fall on Martinez’s shoulders as there are other reasons and culprits for this poor play, but let’s just say Martinez isn’t doing much to help the situation."

"A hot button topic amongst Green Bay Packers’ fans since the offseason has been whether or not the team should re-sign Martinez who is in the final year of his contract. And based on what we’ve seen in 2019, moving on and spending that money elsewhere may be the better option."

"At 6’2″ – 237 pounds, Martinez is undersized for an inside linebacker and struggles to shed blockers once he is engaged. But he also doesn’t have the speed or athleticism to be effective in coverage either. Truthfully, he might just be another guy."

Regarding the Chargers game, “Inside linebacker Blake Martinez also had another rough game. Yes, he led the team in tackles (12 total, five solo), but his limitations were on full display: he’s an undersized inside linebacker with passive run-stopping instincts and less-than-ideal speed in space.”

“He (Martinez) gets people down, but not where a good defense needs them down…In coverage, his play is equally ineffectual. He drifts, he’s a limited athlete and he’s slow. Maybe the coaches think command of the defense makes him untouchable. If not, Goodson, Burks and rookie Ty Summers all are available.”

“Martinez is a good tackler, which is tough to debate, but his functional usage can be debated. He struggles to fight off blocks and doesn’t keep himself clean on the second level.” Fennell would later add this, “he has only one forced fumble in 446 career tackles and isn’t making enough contact in opposing backfields. There have been instances where Martinez was perfectly free and unobstructed but didn’t make the play.”

 

https://dairylandexpress.com/2019/11/07/green-bay-packers-blake-martinez-era-end/

What I noticed most being at the game was just how passive, unaggressive, and slow in space Martinez looked in comparison to not only to the Chargers linebackers (Perryman and old man Thomas Davis) but also Goodson.

I don't think the poor IDL play or the scheme are doing Martinez any favors but he has to do something to turn around his own poor play.

[TheBitzMan]

1 minute ago, TheOnlyThing said:

Seems like the notion that the Pack will not pay Blake the $ he believes is picking up steam and who knows if his potentially impending exit is contributing to his poor play.

Playing poor because he thinks GB isn't going to pay him seems like a really bad business decision. 

[AlexGreen#20]

Martinez is significantly better in coverage than Davis, Perryman, or Goodson. 

The need to blame the ILB for overall defensive performance is pathological.

[Shanedorf]

from Eye in the Sky twitter

One thing that’s been apparent after Week 1 is the defense is normally Reacting vs Attacking.
Reacting defenses reflect a collective low football IQ.
Attacking defenses reflect anticipation & instincts. Players like C. Woodson

Tramon Williams at cornerback has rarely been out of position in 2 years. Anytime he lost a battle was due to age not inexperience.
The players that lead in Missed Assignments:

-King (By far the most)
-Savage
-Sullivan
-Redmond    
The commonality.... Youth & Inexperience

[Joe]

4 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

from Eye in the Sky twitter

One thing that’s been apparent after Week 1 is the defense is normally Reacting vs Attacking.
Reacting defenses reflect a collective low football IQ.
Attacking defenses reflect anticipation & instincts. Players like C. Woodson

Tramon Williams at cornerback has rarely been out of position in 2 years. Anytime he lost a battle was due to age not inexperience.
The players that lead in Missed Assignments:

-King (By far the most)
-Savage
-Sullivan
-Redmond    
The commonality.... Youth & Inexperience

Or because he had to cover Hunter Henry or another TE.

 

2 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

If this was true, the Patriots would be the worst defense in the NFL. 

The Patriots are literally made up of undrafted and 5th-7th round picks all along the front.  They have talent in the secondary, but so do we.  Our defense up front is basically, "Do what you physically cannot do." 

Blake Martinez covering running backs and faster tight ends is literally stupid. 
Asking Kenny to do the job of two players every single play is literally stupid. 
Asking Adrian Amos to play a stupid meaningless position that run happy teams beg for is literally stupid.
Throwing out Redmond is literally stupid. 
Having single linebacker looks almost all damn game is literally stupid. 

 

First of all, the Patriots are constantly manipulating their roster and they have the best coaching staff in the league; that has little to do with where they draft players. Oh year, Belichick is a defensive mind as well in case you didn't know...

Secondly as referenced above, Tramon seems to be lined up on TE's and bigger receivers much more so than King. 

[TheOnlyThing]

57 minutes ago, Joe said:

First of all, the Patriots are constantly manipulating their roster and they have the best coaching staff in the league; that has little to do with where they draft players. Oh year, Belichick is a defensive mind as well in case you didn't know...

The Patriots absolutely can do more with less talent given their superb coaching.

That said, the Pats also have a former 12th pick in the draft playing DT for them (they just did not draft him).

Oh, and the Patriots have had a 1st round pick playing ILB for them since 2012 while we've trotted out the likes of Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Nate Palmer, Joe Thomas, Jake Ryan, and now Martinez and Goodson. 

The gap between the play of Hightower and GB's "top" ILB over the past 8 seasons is hard to overstate.

[Joe]

2 hours ago, TheOnlyThing said:

The Patriots absolutely can do more with less talent given their superb coaching.

That said, the Pats also have a former 12th pick in the draft playing DT for them (they just did not draft him).

Oh, and the Patriots have had a 1st round pick playing ILB for them since 2012 while we've trotted out the likes of Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Nate Palmer, Joe Thomas, Jake Ryan, and now Martinez and Goodson. 

The gap between the play of Hightower and GB's "top" ILB over the past 8 seasons is hard to overstate.

Forgot about all of that. Do direct the comments @Outpost31 though.

[MacReady]

6 minutes ago, Joe said:

Forgot about all of that. Do direct the comments @Outpost31 though.

That top 10 DL was traded for a mid round pick, and ILB is not the reason they are a dominant defense.  Lol.  Tot is a troll.  

[Packerraymond]

16 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

That top 10 DL was traded for a mid round pick, and ILB is not the reason they are a dominant defense.  Lol.  Tot is a troll.  

Jamie Collins: 2nd round pick

Donta Hightower: 1st round pick

Kyle Van Noy: 2nd round pick

Chase Winovich: 3rd round pick

Danny Shelton: 1st round pick

5 of their top 8 are day 1-2 guys. Guy and Simon are proven vets. Elandon Roberts is really their only self made front 7 players. That defense has plenty of talent, they aren't a bunch of day 3 guys and UDFAs.

Their specialty has always been finding talented players that don't fit in with the team that drafted them, trading for them pennies on the dollar, and playing to their strengths. The Lions and Browns couldn't use Collins and Van Noy properly. Same with Shelton, the Browns sold him for peanuts because he doesn't rush the passer, when every team needs a run plug. 

The Patriots play to a players strength. Something that shouldn't be a foreign concept but is in the NFL. We started the year doing a similar thing, and were good. Now we're shoving players that don't fit a soft zone, 4 man pressure scheme into because that's what Mike feels like calling. Shocking that the results have sucked.

Sometimes NFL coaches make fans look like the rocket scientists.

[cannondale]

10 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

It's a sub 2-3-6 we run about 30% of the time. The last one is a 3-3 nickel.

Chargers ran a McCarthyesque "if the box is light, run. If the box is heavy, throw " offense.

We felt no desire to try and confuse Rivers into misreading it. 

I should have used green text

[MacReady]

2 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

Jamie Collins: 2nd round pick

Donta Hightower: 1st round pick

Kyle Van Noy: 2nd round pick

Chase Winovich: 3rd round pick

Danny Shelton: 1st round pick

5 of their top 8 are day 1-2 guys. Guy and Simon are proven vets. Elandon Roberts is really their only self made front 7 players. That defense has plenty of talent, they aren't a bunch of day 3 guys and UDFAs.

Their specialty has always been finding talented players that don't fit in with the team that drafted them, trading for them pennies on the dollar, and playing to their strengths. The Lions and Browns couldn't use Collins and Van Noy properly. Same with Shelton, the Browns sold him for peanuts because he doesn't rush the passer, when every team needs a run plug. 

The Patriots play to a players strength. Something that shouldn't be a foreign concept but is in the NFL. We started the year doing a similar thing, and were good. Now we're shoving players that don't fit a soft zone, 4 man pressure scheme into because that's what Mike feels like calling. Shocking that the results have sucked.

Sometimes NFL coaches make fans look like the rocket scientists.

You try to prove me wrong and then agree with exactly what I’m saying. 

Literally this whole thing was how the Patriots have no stars on defense, and they don’t.  Then you say der Belichick plays to his player’s strengths.  Like no damn kidding.  That’s what I’ve been saying we need to do.  You know... Not expect Martinez to be able to cover backs or faster tight ends.  

Edited November 8, 2019 by Outpost31

[coachbuns]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

You try to prove me wrong and then agree with exactly what I’m saying. 

Literally this whole thing was how the Patriots have no stars on defense, and they don’t.  Then you say der Belichick plays to his player’s strengths.  Like no damn kidding.  That’s what I’ve been saying we need to do.  You know... Not expect Martinez to be able to cover backs or faster tight ends.  

You're missing PackerRaymond"s point of the post which was NE has a bunch of 1-2-3 round draft picks on their team.  Nobody said they were all pro ... however, they aren't jags either.  They do their job very well and are put there by a fantastic system.  Packers have a number of low to mid rounders at most of those positions and whether it's bad defensive scheming, jag players or a combination of those factors, this defense has been struggling.  Pettine better find out darn quick the right combination of players with a defensive scheme that shuts down the run better and quit getting gashed on "splash" plays downfield.