Pick is in, #106 - DE Maxx Crosby

[RaiderX]

Here we go...

 

[RaidersAreOne]

 

[NYRaider]

5 hours ago, BayRaider said:

We don’t need an EDGE anymore. Maxx is the real deal. 100% stud. 

 

You can never have too many pass rushers.

[ronjon1990]

2 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

You can never have too many pass rushers.

You can when you have 11 of them and no linebackers. 

It's one thing to collect talent, it's another to have tunnel vision on defensive personnell. 

[Justwinning]

19 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

You can never have too many pass rushers.

With the way Crosby is playing and if Ferrel continues to progress, EDGE may no longer be a pressing need in round 1. 

[BayRaider]

14 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

You can when you have 11 of them and no linebackers. 

It's one thing to collect talent, it's another to have tunnel vision on defensive personnell. 

Plus a like Derrick Brown makes Ferrell and Maxx that much better. 

I really want DL and WR in the 1st. Is there any ILB in FA this year? We could re-sign Burfict but obviously he’s a walking time bomb. 

[Justwinning]

1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Plus a like Derrick Brown makes Ferrell and Maxx that much better. 

I really want DL and WR in the 1st. Is there any ILB in FA this year? We could re-sign Burfict but obviously he’s a walking time bomb. 

Would love Joe Schobert, but I doubt he makes it to free agency.

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, Justwinning said:

With the way Crosby is playing and if Ferrel continues to progress, EDGE may no longer be a pressing need in round 1. 

Ferrell has had 1 good game and has been meh most of the season. Crosby has definitely flashed but before today he had 2.5 sacks in 9 games. Ferrell and Crosby have both put up the majority of the production in a single game against 2 of the worst OL in the league. Let's pump the breaks a little bit. 

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said:

You can when you have 11 of them and no linebackers. 

It's one thing to collect talent, it's another to have tunnel vision on defensive personnell. 

It's also not smart to be impulsive and make personnel decisions based on a 2 game sample size. Crosby and Ferrell have both had 1 really good game each. Take that game away and Crosby has produced 2.5 sacks in 9 games and Ferrell has produced 1 sack in 8 games. Neither guy has played well enough to think that we're going to be set at the position next season. 

[Silver&Black88]

3 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Ferrell has had 1 good game and has been meh most of the season. Crosby has definitely flashed but before today he had 2.5 sacks in 9 games. Ferrell and Crosby have both put up the majority of the production in a single game against 2 of the worst OL in the league. Let's pump the breaks a little bit. 

Good points. I still prefer to go edge in FA though.

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Silver&Black88 said:

Good points. I still prefer to go edge in FA though.

Definitely. The only way I'd want us to take an edge in the first round would be if Chase Young falls into our lap. Will be interesting to see what Jordan can provide the rest of the season, he flashed big-time in Seattle. If he can produce for us we'll likely bring him back on a cheap deal, Key will be back, and Crosby/Ferrell will be back as well. I think that group could still benefit from one more consistent vet especially because Mayowa is likely gone.

[oakdb36]

23 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Mayowa is likely gone.

Not so sure about that. We have the cap room to bring him back and we can afford to spend a bit on 1 DL with the rest of our guys on rookie contracts. If he leaves, we'll have to spend on someone else so it's probably a better idea to pay the guy who's already familiar with the system.

[ronjon1990]

44 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

It's also not smart to be impulsive and make personnel decisions based on a 2 game sample size. Crosby and Ferrell have both had 1 really good game each. Take that game away and Crosby has produced 2.5 sacks in 9 games and Ferrell has produced 1 sack in 8 games. Neither guy has played well enough to think that we're going to be set at the position next season. 

And I get that. But do we keep throwing picks at DE and DT year after year while continuing to plug other holes with, in some cases, practice squad level talent? 

It's equally, if not more, impulsive to constantly chase immediate impact D-linemen instead of allowing the guys we do have to grow and improve. 

Ferrell and Crosby have shown consistent improvement over the season. Sure, the raw sack totals may be low outside of 2 or 3 games, but they've both been extremely close to sacks or tfl's on several occasions, especially Crosby. Mayowa has shown to be capable of being a high level rotational player. Mauro is probably replaceable, but he's not on the field too terribly often (in other words, you don't replace him with a high pick). Arden Key showed a little improvement and is certainly deserving of a roster spot moving forward, at least for the next year or two with his raw tools. Dion Jordan is a wildcard as he was just signed, but he has all the potential to make a decent impact as we saw him do in Seattle. 

That's 6 roster spots right there. 

Hurst, Hall, Hankins are decent and the first 2 are still growing into the league. 

9 D-linemen, 5 of whom are rookies or 2nd year guys who need playing time to improve, 2 more are obvious keepers. The other two are a rotational player and a newly signed guy with high level backup potential. 

That's almost 1/5 of the roster. There's no value in keeping Ferrell, Crosby, Key, Hall, or Hurst on the sidelines given draft pedigree and/or improvement. We shouldn't be letting Hankins or Mayowa go. Bringing more guys in is only going to cut into the aforementioned group's time. Who would you bring in and who's time do you want decreased? Our 4th overall's pick? Our recent 2nd rounder's? Or steadily increasing 4th's? Our high potential 3rd's? One of our veterans who have played well enough to make keeping them around an obvious choice? 

Meanwhile, we have replacement talent across the board at LB, 1 healthy safety assured of a roster spot in Harris, 1 safety we just spent a 1st on in Abraham, 1 who may not be back in Joseph, a pair of rookie CBs backed up by non factor backups, a WR corps full of "potential" without a history of production (Williams and Renfrow are the only 2 locks, Davis, Doss, and Jones are deep 3rds at best right now, Ateman and Harris bring little to the table), no change of pace RB that can be effective as a runner to take heat off of Jacobs, needs at G and C, and backup QBs who are hardly inspiring behind who many view as an embattled starter. 

We have way too many holes to shore up before arbitrarily grabbing another D-lineman to take snaps away from guys who, unlike guys at other positions of clear need, have shown clear improvement.

It doesn't matter how good our pass rush is if our LBs and secondary are the liabilities they have been. No team is getting 5, 6, 10 sacks per game like Madden. Once the ball is out of the QBs hands, sacks don't matter, and with bad LBs and a sieve-like secondary, we could have Warren Sapp, Julius Peppers, and Lawrence Taylor on the D-line and still be ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league in defense. 

 

[Bitty 2.0]

4 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Ferrell has had 1 good game and has been meh most of the season. Crosby has definitely flashed but before today he had 2.5 sacks in 9 games. Ferrell and Crosby have both put up the majority of the production in a single game against 2 of the worst OL in the league. Let's pump the breaks a little bit. 

 Maxx has 25 pressures on a year.

[Chali21]

I think that it would be foolish to overlook great talent just because of potential talent. Honestly i feel like we’ve seen this almost every year with different players drafted in the lower rounds, they exceed expectations and we crown them as steals. Then teams circle those players and scheme them out of the games. Mad Maxx has a lot of potential but even when the Raiders had Mack they still needed to add actual talent. Look at the Bears, when they had talent on all levels they where an elite defense that carried the team to playoffs. Now that they’ve been hit by injuries they’ve been seriously exposed.