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First impressions of Mike Mayock's first draft as GM


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I am NOT here to pimp the Raiders draft class, far from it. I am looking for an unbiased opinion from you draft experts on how he did his first draft at the helm.The reason I ask is obvious, I don't think there's ever been a bigger TV draft personality before, and the fact he had the opportunity to step in as GM for a franchise with tons of draft capital is an NFL fans dream come true.

He can talk the talk but did he prove himself to be a capable drafter at first glance? Of course there was some Gruden influence but for the most part it sounds like it mostly all Mayock. He also orchestrated a number of trade downs and ups, most of which we got good value for.

  • Round 1, Pick No. 4: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson
  • Round 1, Pick No. 24: Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama
  • Round 1, Pick No. 27: Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State
  • Round 2, Pick No. 40: Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson
  • Round 4, Pick No. 106: Maxx Crosby, Edge, Eastern Michigan
  • Round 4, Pick No. 129: Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston
  • Round 4, Pick No. 137: Foster Moreau, TE, LSU
  • Round 5, Pick No. 149: Hunter Renfrow, WR, Clemson
  • Round 7, Pick No. 230: Quinton Bell, DE, Prairie View

Obviously we won't know the final results for 2-3 years, but I am curious of everyones initial reactions of his final class. 

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I generally liked his draft overall.  The top three guys I think are pretty bust-proof.  I don't think any of them will ever be top-5 at their respective positions, but they will produce at a very good level.  Didn't really like the Mullen pick as I wasn't high on him.  But I loved the last 5 picks.  Absolutely loved them.  Crosby and Isaiah are elite athletes that just need coaching and development to be top tier guys.  Moreau could be a very solid #2 TE.  Renfrow is a great fit in the slot.  Bell is another developmental edge guy with great athleticism.

Safe, solid picks to start combined with high ceiling guys later.  I like that approach.  

Side note - All three of their first picks would run through a wall for their coach, so I do love that part.  Extremely high character guys.  And I think with the move to Vegas next year, they needed that.

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I'm not sure Mayock has the final say. But I've never been very impressed with him, and I'm not very impressed with this draft class. It's not a bad class, but with all of the moves the Raiders have made, I think you need to go into this class looking to build the foundation of a great team. I feel like they treated it as if that foundation was already built.

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Looks promising other than the value on his first pick.  That one I won't ever understand unless he knows something about Farrell that the rest of us have not seen.  Even then you'd think he'd have gotten him with a trade down and that some team would have moved up for 4. 

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I think if you have 3 first round picks and one of them is top 5 you have to do better than what they did there. I like that they traded down and got more draft picks but I didn't really like any of their picks in the first round and that is pretty hard to do. It looks like they wanted to rebuild their defense but I would have just chosen other guys. They passed on some pretty top rated prospects - Josh Allen, Devin White, Montez Sweat, DeAndre Baker, Byron Murphy & Greedy Williams.

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I laugh when they say he over reached with the 4th pick. Why is it a over reach, who says it a over reach Kiper, Cassidy, Bucky! No one knows Shcit. He took a player he liked after do his evaluation. 40 % of the 1st round picks will be bust and that is a fact.

Rae Carruth, WR, No. 27 Overall Pick in 1997 by Carolina Panthers.

Aundray Bruce, DE, No. 1 Overall Pick in 1988 by Atlanta Falcons. ...

Penn State RBs: Blair Thomas, Ki-Jana Carter and Curtis Enis. ...

Houston QBs: Andre Ware and David Klingler.------- and many more.

Many were considered can't miss players. How that work out.  Many of you are saying  Clelin Ferrell should of been picked between 10 -15 , How ironic, so your saying HE CAN PLAY AT A HIGH LEVEL.  And that's all you can hope for when you pick anyone.

I give him an A because he had a plan and a type he was looking for and went out and did it.

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First two picks are pretty bad.

Ferrell, while not a bad player was a massive reach and he passed up elite prospects for him.

Jacobs is awfully overrated, wasn't a starter on his own team, and is from a school that always has runningbacks overdrafted.

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His guys just aren't my guys, like philosophically I disagree with:

  • drafting a pass rusher without a complete athletic profile.
  • spending a first round pick on running back, particularly a running back who is not an "elite talent."
  • spending a first round pick on a safety who is better against the run than the pass.

I mean, maybe he's right but I can't get past how much I dislike that first round.  He seems to have drafted "character over everything" but at some point you're going to need big, strong, fast people.

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@PossibleCabbage largely summed up how I feel, particularly with regards to philosophy. 

I don't like spending a first round pick on a running back unless they are special. Jacobs isn't "special" in my opinion. I definitely don't like spending a first round pick on a box safety in a league that is becoming more and more based around the passing game. 

I have slightly fewe problems with Ferrell, but I certainly didn't have him as a top five pick. He's a guy to me that has a reasonable floor, but a limited ceiling. I don't see him as a consistent double digit sack artist. If they favored him over other edge rushers such as Allen (scheme fit?), Sweat (possible heart issues, etc), I get it, I just don't necessarily agree. Personally, I think that they missed an opportunity when they didn't make a trade with the Jets for QW. Granted, that is just a rumor, and I get that a second round pick was a huge cost for that, but I thought QW was on a different tier from the guys available after he was gone. Like Cabbage, I just don't love the value of that first round at all. 

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1 hour ago, MKnight82 said:

I feel like they targeted players with high floors instead of high ceilings.  Wouldn’t surprise me if most of their picks become good players but I don’t see any potential stars.

That's my problem with the draft. The Raiders are more or less building from the ground up. I think you need to swing for the fences. I'm not saying you do that on every pick, but you need to do it on some. I think they took the safe route. But rarely do teams become great without at least a couple elite players.

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2 hours ago, m haynes said:

I laugh when they say he over reached with the 4th pick. Why is it a over reach, who says it a over reach Kiper, Cassidy, Bucky! No one knows Shcit. He took a player he liked after do his evaluation. 40 % of the 1st round picks will be bust and that is a fact.

Rae Carruth, WR, No. 27 Overall Pick in 1997 by Carolina Panthers.

Aundray Bruce, DE, No. 1 Overall Pick in 1988 by Atlanta Falcons. ...

Penn State RBs: Blair Thomas, Ki-Jana Carter and Curtis Enis. ...

Houston QBs: Andre Ware and David Klingler.------- and many more.

Many were considered can't miss players. How that work out.  Many of you are saying  Clelin Ferrell should of been picked between 10 -15 , How ironic, so your saying HE CAN PLAY AT A HIGH LEVEL.  And that's all you can hope for when you pick anyone.

I give him an A because he had a plan and a type he was looking for and went out and did it.

I’m sure you’d make a great high school teacher with that kind of grading style.

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