Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: I'm the same way. Otherwise I probably wouldn't be such a huge Hall mark. I'm just saying, it's an era difference. I'm willing to bet that more people know the name Bret Hart than they do Daniel Bryan. It's just a product of when they both wrestled. And I know some people are going to mention nostalgia and that's not at all what I'm talking about. I'm talking about pure wrestling popularity. It's not where it was and as a result, even guys that are more talented than past generations, are going to suffer from it. I'm just speaking from the reality side of this. Wrestling is a niche market nowadays. Character, mic-work, selling, and storylines have always been the best parts of wrestling. Great matches are just a bonus. That's why people are talking about Bryan/Cole more than Bucks/LB. That moment was bigger than any match could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Bullet Club said: Character, mic-work, selling, and storylines have always been the best parts of wrestling. Great matches are just a bonus. That's why people are talking about Bryan/Cole more than Bucks/LB. That moment was bigger than any match could be. Well, sure, but what does that have to do with what I said? I mean, it should tell you the difference in the era when it's Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson causing a **** storm in the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Jeezla said: Was he more influential than the young bucks? Yes. Kenny Omega's meteoric rise in Japan is what brought Chris Jericho over to NJPW. That was the catalyst for All In, and for Tony Khan coming up with AEW. The Young Bucks have played their role but without Kenny there is no Elite, and they were nothing special in Japan pre-Elite. 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Spear? Yeah, that's fair. Though most of those guys have been doing the spear well before Kenny blew up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Well, sure, but what does that have to do with what I said? I mean, it should tell you the difference in the era when it's Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson causing a **** storm in the industry. I was changing the topic and specifically talking our preferences lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bullet Club said: I was changing the topic and specifically talking our preferences lol Well yeah, it's a man's soap opera. Storyline and character work will always take precedence over in-ring work haha. We agree there. Edited September 11, 2021 by beekay414 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: Yeah, that's fair. Though most of those guys have been doing the spear well before Kenny blew up. How many guys do a running knee like V Trigger now? Bryan obviously made it into a finisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: Yes. Kenny Omega's meteoric rise in Japan is what brought Chris Jericho over to NJPW. That was the catalyst for All In, and for Tony Khan coming up with AEW. The Young Bucks have played their role but without Kenny there is no Elite, and they were nothing special in Japan pre-Elite. Yeah, that's fair. Though most of those guys have been doing the spear well before Kenny blew up. ok, but there is also no elite without the Bucks. Kenny needed the bucks, Jericho (who was/is still way more well known to the general public than Kenny), and Cody. The bucks were popular in Japan before Kenny. They were over with Anderson and Gallows and AJ well before Kenny joined BC Edited September 11, 2021 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, beekay414 said: How many guys do a running knee like V Trigger now? Bryan obviously made it into a finisher. Bryan's is different. He stole that from Kenta. But off the top of my head: Buddy Murphy, Seth Rollins (curbstomp ban), Matt Riddle, Mandy Rose, Aleister Black, and Sheamus all use or used it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Bullet Club said: Bryan's is different. He stole that from Kenta. Yeah, I just took it as a running knee but Bryan throws his entire body into it so makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 @Bullet Club Here's a question for ya. Who is going to be the first person to kick out of OWA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jeezla said: ok, but there is also no elite without the Bucks. Kenny needed the bucks, Jericho (who was/is still way more well known to the general public than Kenny), and Cody. The bucks were popular in Japan before Kenny. They were over with Anderson and Gallows and AJ well before Kenny joined BC Kenny didn't need the Elite though. He was going to be the leader of The Bullet Club before The Elite mattered, it was his idea for them to all go back into the ring after their attack on AJ, and his singles run is what made him take off. He didn't need the Bucks to win the G1 or put on a clinic with Okada. The Bucks needed Kenny as their leader and as a member of The Elite to elevate their stock in Japan. They were in Bullet Club first but they were by no means comparable to his popularity. They were competing for Junior Tag Titles while he was Main Eventing and putting on classics that drew in the West like never before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: @Bullet Club Here's a question for ya. Who is going to be the first person to kick out of OWA? Hangman Page at Full Gear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bullet Club said: Hangman Page at Full Gear Interesting. I wasn't sure if they'd "waste" (for lack of a better word) that moment on Page or not considering Danielson's in the fold now or even Punk. Edited September 11, 2021 by beekay414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Bullet Club said: Kenny didn't need the Elite though. He was going to be the leader of The Bullet Club before The Elite mattered, it was his idea for them to all go back into the ring after their attack on AJ, and his singles run is what made him take off. He didn't need the Bucks to win the G1 or put on a clinic with Okada. The Bucks needed Kenny as their leader and as a member of The Elite to elevate their stock in Japan. They were in Bullet Club first but they were by no means comparable to his popularity. They were competing for Junior Tag Titles while he was Main Eventing and putting on classics that drew in the West like never before. Technically Finn Balor is the most influential wrestler of the last decade. Kenny/Bullet Club doesn't exist without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Jeezla said: Technically Finn Balor is the most influential wrestler of the last decade. Kenny/Bullet Club doesn't exist without him. I mean I suppose you can make that argument. He did create the biggest faction of the decade, and it's still going strong. Though he didn't bring in the Western audience that Kenny did and that's more directly what changed wrestling. Devitt and AJ couldn't bring NJPW to the heights Kenny did. Jericho also deserves credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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