dll2000 Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) https://bearswire.usatoday.com/gallery/2019-training-camp-predicting-the-chicago-bears-53-man-roster/ USA has Nall, Denmark, Hall, Shelley, Sowell and Dax making it. They left off Braunecker other Hall from Atl, Whyte, Bars. Edited June 24, 2019 by dll2000 Mistake/typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 I would be surprised if Braunecker doesnt make team, but it wouldnt really bother me. Also be surprised if Nall makes it. Anything creative they can do to keep Bray? They obviously want him around and have invested a lot of time in him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I'd would be surprised if Braunecker was cut as well especially after extending him for 2 years. I won't even think about calling the keepers at RB and WR 'til camp and preseason. We need to see them play. Bray's a PS guy for now but might be able to take Daniel's spot in 2020. Can't keep paying him what we do as a #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, soulman said: I'd would be surprised if Braunecker was cut as well especially after extending him for 2 years. I won't even think about calling the keepers at RB and WR 'til camp and preseason. We need to see them play. Bray's a PS guy for now but might be able to take Daniel's spot in 2020. Can't keep paying him what we do as a #2. Pretty much my view. Daniel is an average back up at absolute best - and I don't believe he is TBH- so why should he be paid as a guy who is a spot starter-level player? Guy was drafted 10 years ago and over HALF of his production came from 2 games last year. I'd rather overpay an actual talented player than overpay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 12 hours ago, soulman said: I'd would be surprised if Braunecker was cut as well especially after extending him for 2 years. I won't even think about calling the keepers at RB and WR 'til camp and preseason. We need to see them play. Bray's a PS guy for now but might be able to take Daniel's spot in 2020. Can't keep paying him what we do as a #2. Reason I asked is Bray is out of PS eligibility, but Bears obviously still want to keep him and look like they are planning to in some way. Just curious if anyone can think what way that might be. Lots of little tricks I dont know, like what they did with Macks contract to create cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 QB: Trubisky, Daniel RB: Montgomery, Davis, Cohen, Whyte WR: Robinson, Miller, Gabriel, Ridley, Wims, Patterson TE: Burton, Shaheen, Braunecker, Raymond LT: Leno, Sowell LG: Whitehieir C:Daniel, Larsen RG: Long, Bars RT: Massie, Coward 25 RE: RRH/Nichols NT: Goldman LE: Hicks, Bullard OLB: Floyd, Irving, Fitts ILB: Trevathan, Kiwk, Woods ILB: Smith, Iggy OLB: Mack, Lynch CB: Fuller, Prince, Skrine, Tolliver, Shelley, McManis FS: Jackson, DHC, SS: HHCD, Bush 25 LS: Scales P: O'Donnell K: TDB IR: Emmanual Hall PR DL Jalen Dalton OLB Chuck Harris CB Michael Joseph CB Stephen Denmark C Sam Mustipher OT Joe Lowry TE Ian Bunting WR Marvin Hall [Veteran Exception-Full Salary] RB Ryan Nall QB-Someone from outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 hours ago, dll2000 said: Reason I asked is Bray is out of PS eligibility, but Bears obviously still want to keep him and look like they are planning to in some way. Just curious if anyone can think what way that might be. Lots of little tricks I dont know, like what they did with Macks contract to create cap space. IR him and let him essentially coach guys up. Sign an athletic PR QB who can push the defense a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, WindyCity said: QB: Trubisky, Daniel RB: Montgomery, Davis, Cohen, Whyte WR: Robinson, Miller, Gabriel, Ridley, Wims, Patterson TE: Burton, Shaheen, Braunecker, Raymond LT: Leno, Sowell LG: Whitehieir C:Daniel, Larsen RG: Long, Bars RT: Massie, Coward 25 RE: RRH/Nichols NT: Goldman LE: Hicks, Bullard OLB: Floyd, Irving, Fitts ILB: Trevathan, Kiwk, Woods ILB: Smith, Iggy OLB: Mack, Lynch CB: Fuller, Prince, Skrine, Tolliver, Shelley, McManis FS: Jackson, DHC, SS: HHCD, Bush 25 LS: Scales P: O'Donnell K: TDB IR: Emmanual Hall PR DL Jalen Dalton OLB Chuck Harris CB Michael Joseph CB Stephen Denmark C Sam Mustipher OT Joe Lowry TE Ian Bunting WR Marvin Hall [Veteran Exception-Full Salary] RB Ryan Nall QB-Someone from outside Move McManis to S and get rid of ILB then add another CB I think. Maybe Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 hours ago, dll2000 said: Reason I asked is Bray is out of PS eligibility, but Bears obviously still want to keep him and look like they are planning to in some way. Just curious if anyone can think what way that might be. Lots of little tricks I dont know, like what they did with Macks contract to create cap space. I though Bray still had PS eligibility. Worst case scenario is we cut him and he becomes a Street FA. Someone may sign him but that's probably 50/50 at best. He's pretty much a strong arm pocket passer with very limited mobility so not what most teams are looking for. If we did lose him I wouldn't be all that upset. I would not favor using up a roster spot on him. This is why I would favor a change in the rules whereby specialists; Punter, PK, and LS, are not counted in any team 53 man roster. These players have no other job to do and it may end some of the gaming the rules team do when placing a promising rookie on IR so they don't have to risk losing him on waivers. Teams could then keep a 3rd QB on the roster as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) NEW 6-25-2019 LIST OFFENSE: QB: MT, Daniel RB: Montgomery, Davis, Cohen, Whyte WR: Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, Wims, Ridley, Patterson TE: Burton, Shaheen, Braunecker, Sowell, Dax (seems weird to have 5 TEs, but I think Nagy has some kind of plan for Sowell otherwise tough to ask him to switch when he could probably make team as a swing OT.). LT: Charles Leno LG: Cody Whitehair, Alex Bars (if healthy and performing otherwise practice squad and Clemmings gets this spot). C: James Daniels RG: Kyle Long, Ted Larsen RT: Bobby Massie, Rashaad Coward 25 DEFENSE: Defensive Line (5)- Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman, Bilal Nichols, Jonathan Bullard, Roy Robertson-Harris (Nick Williams may make it as he can play Nose, if so Denmark goes to Practice Squad). ILB: Inside Linebackers (4)- Roquan Smith, Danny Trevathan, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Kevin Pierre-Louis/Kwiatkowski (fight for one spot) OLB: Outside Linebackers (5)- Khalil Mack, Leonard Floyd, Aaron Lynch, Isaiah Irving, Kylie Fitts Safety (4)- Eddie Jackson, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Deon Bush, Sherrick McMannis Cornerbacks (7)- Kyle Fuller, Prince Amukamara, Buster Skrine, Kevin Toliver, Sherrick McManis, Duke Shelley, Stephen Denmark (if Denmark struggles look for him to go to PS and a veteran to make 53). 25 Special Teams : (3)- LS Patrick Scales, P Pat O’Donnell, K Eddy Pineiro 53 IR: Emmanuel Hall (I don't think they risk losing this guy on PS, he is too talented - he either makes 53 or gets put on IR). Chance they make room for Bray on offense to keep him. Dax or Bars can be moved to PS. Edited June 25, 2019 by dll2000 typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 I think Josh Woods has a very good shot to make the team. He has been the talk of the offseason program and those guys who really buy in and work are hard to cut because of the message it sends to the locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Denmark has a battle to make the team. DHC and McManis are core special teams players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 8:39 AM, WindyCity said: Denmark has a battle to make the team. DHC and McManis are core special teams players. If Denmark is a capable ST player as well then he gets a leg up IMO over DHC because DHC is just a ST player and Denmark has enormous upside and 4 years at a 7th round pick salary. DHC is good at ST but he’s not pushing for the pro bowl for his work there. I think it’s more likely that both make the squad with either Braunecker or Dax not making the 53. If Dax is capable then Braunecker is entirely expendable, as Dax would almost surely fill the role as Burton’s backup. Braunecker has established himself as just a guy, and his $550k in 2019 dead cap space with no 2020 carryover in this situation would a complete non-factor. Braunecker’s cap charge if he’s on the roster is $1,043,750. Were he to be cut and replaced by Dax (2019 cap hit $500k) then their combined cap hit (Braunecker dead + Dax live) would be $1,050,000. I don’t think Pace would be sweating the $6,250 difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Interestingly enough though it's Ian Bunting who Helfrich singled out from OTAs and not Dax Raymond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 5:59 PM, soulman said: Interestingly enough though it's Ian Bunting who Helfrich singled out from OTAs and not Dax Raymond. Honestly I don’t care about the names at the bottom of the roster - I’m just excited that most of those spots have legitimate competition for them. Nobody is getting gifted a spot at the bottom of our roster, and honestly it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if several of our final cuts were picked up elsewhere because they’re better than players 50-53 elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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