textaz03 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 well, Cooper was waiting for this contract to get done. Thomas just set the bar and it is pretty high!! Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, textaz03 said: well, Cooper was waiting for this contract to get done. Thomas just set the bar and it is pretty high!! Thoughts? Dak - $33-35m Zeke - $15-16m Coop - $18m Man.... that’s going to be tough to swing, especially when you figure Jones and Jaylon are both going near/over $15m/yr too. Cap will go up for sure, but I doubt it’s enough to handle all that. Good bye Zeke... Edited July 31, 2019 by WizardHawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, textaz03 said: well, Cooper was waiting for this contract to get done. Thomas just set the bar and it is pretty high!! Thoughts? Insane. There's no way Dallas can pay Dak $30 million a year, pay Amari $21 million a year and Zeke $15 million a year. Even if they let Byron walk, they still have to pay Jaylon $18+ million. They will probably have to let 2 players walk to keep some kind of cap flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tony7188 said: Insane. There's no way Dallas can pay Dak $30 million a year, pay Amari $21 million a year and Zeke $15 million a year. Even if they let Byron walk, they still have to pay Jaylon $18+ million. They will probably have to let 2 players walk to keep some kind of cap flexibility. They should be able to get Amari And Jaylon for less than that. Amari’s not going to reset the market at WR, Dez didn’t and he was coming off a First Team All-Pro season. Stephen is a pretty tough negotiator. Of course, Dak’ll go for more than 30, so your sum is about right. And if we have to tag Amari next year then we’re probably losing Byron a year before we should which blows. I think Tyron or Frederick will have to go in the next two years in order for us to pay all 5 or even 4 of the aforementioned. I mean, honestly, why would you pay Dak, Zeke, and Amari the highest combined total for a QB/RB/WR in league history if they’re not capable of leading this team to an elite offense without the assistance of a Top 3 offensive line? Edited July 31, 2019 by matt79511 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 We should be able to sign Dak, Amari, and Zeke, without much issue. http://www.cbssports.com/general/video/24563b2e-ae2a-4c0b-98cd-0420540bea95 Extending Amari actually lessons his 2019 hit. It’s possible that we have to choose between Byron and Jaylon but not Impossible to squeeze them both in. However Byron will be 28 at the start of next season when his money kicked in. In Richards system Byron can be replaced imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, DaBoys said: Extending Amari actually lessons his 2019 hit. Sure but if you dramatically decrease it while still giving him $18M/yr in new money then his cap hits will be over $18M down the line. Again if we get Dak and Amari done then we should be alright for the next two years. We’ll have plenty of rollover, the tag for CBs will be like $13M (as opposed to 17-18 for WRs) and Jaylon’s restricted. But after that I’m very skeptical. Even after letting go of Byron you’re looking at something like $120M-$130M against the cap for your Top 8 guys. That’s not sustainable if the rate of annual cap growth declines in the next CBA, which it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDsportsfan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, matt79511 said: Sure but if you dramatically decrease it while still giving him $18M/yr in new money then his cap hits will be over $18M down the line. Again if we get Dak and Amari done then we should be alright for the next two years. We’ll have plenty of rollover, the tag for CBs will be like $13M (as opposed to 17-18 for WRs) and Jaylon’s restricted. But after that I’m very skeptical. Even after letting go of Byron you’re looking at something like $120M-$130M against the cap for your Top 8 guys. That’s not sustainable if the rate of annual cap growth declines in the next CBA, which it will. Why do you think the rate of cap growth will decline with the new CBA? I don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, HDsportsfan said: Why do you think the rate of cap growth will decline with the new CBA? I don't see that happening. Because it did the last time, and this is a money-making business for the owners. Remember, the salary cap is a self-imposed measure- it’s not like teams “can’t” pay all their players, especially the Cowboys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, matt79511 said: Because it did the last time, and this is a money-making business for the owners. Remember, the salary cap is a self-imposed measure- it’s not like teams “can’t” pay all their players, especially the Cowboys Sure, but it is for the players as well. I do agree though, that I don't think we'll see a $50m jump in the next 5 years like we have the previous 5. I'm hopeful they come up with some sort of cap discount to off set it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, matt79511 said: They should be able to get Amari And Jaylon for less than that. Amari’s not going to reset the market at WR, Dez didn’t and he was coming off a First Team All-Pro season. Stephen is a pretty tough negotiator. Of course, Dak’ll go for more than 30, so your sum is about right. And if we have to tag Amari next year then we’re probably losing Byron a year before we should which blows. I think Tyron or Frederick will have to go in the next two years in order for us to pay all 5 or even 4 of the aforementioned. I mean, honestly, why would you pay Dak, Zeke, and Amari the highest combined total for a QB/RB/WR in league history if they’re not capable of leading this team to an elite offense without the assistance of a Top 3 offensive line? You don't think Amari expects to be paid the highest paid WR? When he essentially saved last season and the Boys gave up a 1st round pick for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Tony7188 said: You don't think Amari expects to be paid the highest paid WR? When he essentially saved last season and the Boys gave up a 1st round pick for him? I think there is a 0.0% chance we will make him that. Dude has career highs of 1153 yards and 7 TDs, Dez posted three straight years of more production than that and still took less than Megatron and Fitzgerald. None of these guys really want to leave Dallas, and Stephen and Jerry absolutely use that against them in negotiations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, WizardHawk said: Sure, but it is for the players as well. I do agree though, that I don't think we'll see a $50m jump in the next 5 years like we have the previous 5. I'm hopeful they come up with some sort of cap discount to off set it. I'd like to see the league be able to designate 1 franchise player that does not apply to the salary cap for their entire contract. Seems more teams are struggling to build a team once they pay their QB. Edited July 31, 2019 by CAPJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 10 hours ago, matt79511 said: Sure but if you dramatically decrease it while still giving him $18M/yr in new money then his cap hits will be over $18M down the line. Again if we get Dak and Amari done then we should be alright for the next two years. We’ll have plenty of rollover, the tag for CBs will be like $13M (as opposed to 17-18 for WRs) and Jaylon’s restricted. But after that I’m very skeptical. Even after letting go of Byron you’re looking at something like $120M-$130M against the cap for your Top 8 guys. That’s not sustainable if the rate of annual cap growth declines in the next CBA, which it will. 7 hours ago, WizardHawk said: Sure, but it is for the players as well. I do agree though, that I don't think we'll see a $50m jump in the next 5 years like we have the previous 5. I'm hopeful they come up with some sort of cap discount to off set it. Exact opposite is expected to happen. They anticipate a huge jump in the next CBA. 5 hours ago, CAPJ said: I'd like to see the league be able to designate 1 franchise player that does not apply to the salary cap for their entire contract. Seems more teams are struggling to build a team once they pay their QB. That goes against parity. The idea is that the teams with no franchise QB can outspend those that do for competitive balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 10 hours ago, matt79511 said: Sure but if you dramatically decrease it while still giving him $18M/yr in new money then his cap hits will be over $18M down the line. Again if we get Dak and Amari done then we should be alright for the next two years. We’ll have plenty of rollover, the tag for CBs will be like $13M (as opposed to 17-18 for WRs) and Jaylon’s restricted. But after that I’m very skeptical. Even after letting go of Byron you’re looking at something like $120M-$130M against the cap for your Top 8 guys. That’s not sustainable if the rate of annual cap growth declines in the next CBA, which it will. 7 hours ago, WizardHawk said: Sure, but it is for the players as well. I do agree though, that I don't think we'll see a $50m jump in the next 5 years like we have the previous 5. I'm hopeful they come up with some sort of cap discount to off set it. Exact opposite is expected to happen. They anticipate a huge jump in the next CBA. 5 hours ago, CAPJ said: I'd like to see the league be able to designate 1 franchise player that does not apply to the salary cap for their entire contract. Seems more teams are struggling to build a team once they pay their QB. That goes against parity. The idea is that the teams with no franchise QB can outspend those that do for competitive balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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