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Depending on what we do in FA, I'd definitely would put a strong consideration for Ceedee Lamb or Jerry Juedy. Both of them are special and would provide Sam with a #1 target that can make plays for him. 

Otherwise we need that franchise OT round 1. 

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7 hours ago, NYJets4716 said:

Depending on what we do in FA, I'd definitely would put a strong consideration for Ceedee Lamb or Jerry Juedy. Both of them are special and would provide Sam with a #1 target that can make plays for him. 

Otherwise we need that franchise OT round 1. 

I agree. But FA would have to go perfectly for that to happen. I cant see a way we get 2 starting OTs that are at a high level. Conklin is the obvious guy. Theres others like Castanzo (32), Bulaga (31), Peters (38). All older guys that for sure can start but arent building blocks for the team. Then you get some younger guys that do carry risks like Humphries (26 and has had a ton of injuries), Williams (28, looked rusty all season after an injury in 2018) and Feiler (28 but a RFA so he isnt going anywhere). After that you get into the Vaitai, Beachum, Whitworth and Dotson type guys that are either older or not great starters just serviceable.

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wow... I just checked in to pick up some insights of East-West shrine prospects.  Only Rich51 that really cares about ****.   Does it mean the rest of you guys plan to watch first round live and then hit the casinos for the rest of the draft?   How pathetic! lol.

 

Anyway,  for a quick draft scrabble, it is limited to East'-West prospects only.

 

2.48- traded to Vikings for 2.58 and 3.89

3.68 - WR Mason Kinsey, Berry College.
3.79 - OG Kevin Dotson, Louisiana-Lafayette.
3.89 (Vikings) - OT Jared Hilbers, Washington.
4.120 - OC Calvin Throckmorton, Oregon
5.159 - WR Binjimen Victor, Ohio State.
6.208 - RB Rico Dowdle, South Carolina.

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I’m really disappointed that the NFL network is only showing an hour summary of the Senior Bowl practices. Yesterday they were hyping up WRs Pittman and Claypool. I like both both but not at 11 or 48. (If they run a 4.4 forty, I would probably change my mind lol). I think it wasJerimiah that also mentioned Van Jefferson as a good prospect.  He is also the son of our WR coach, Shawn Jefferson. 
Senior Bowl weigh-Ins. 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-senior-bowl-weigh-in-measurements/

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29 minutes ago, Rich51 said:

I’m really disappointed that the NFL network is only showing an hour summary of the Senior Bowl practices. Yesterday they were hyping up WRs Pittman and Claypool. I like both both but not at 11 or 48. (If they run a 4.4 forty, I would probably change my mind lol). I think it wasJerimiah that also mentioned Van Jefferson as a good prospect.  He is also the son of our WR coach, Shawn Jefferson. 
Senior Bowl weigh-Ins. 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-senior-bowl-weigh-in-measurements/

Van Jefferson is going to be linked to us the whole draft process bc his Dad is our WR coach. So that wont change. Especially since we have 2 3rds and thats around the area he will get drafted (I view him more as a later draft pick than that personally). My issue with Jefferson is his skill set is pretty much maxed out. His room to get better is small. He's a GREAT route runner. Not as good as Jeudy, but still great. The difference for him is everything besides that is rather average with him. Average speed, quickness, physically. His hands are above average though. So we'd be getting a decent player. But he wont get better over time really. He also will nearly be 24 at the time of the draft. For perspective... Darnold is over a year younger than him and has been in the league for 2 years already.

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3 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

Van Jefferson is going to be linked to us the whole draft process bc his Dad is our WR coach. So that wont change. Especially since we have 2 3rds and thats around the area he will get drafted (I view him more as a later draft pick than that personally). My issue with Jefferson is his skill set is pretty much maxed out. His room to get better is small. He's a GREAT route runner. Not as good as Jeudy, but still great. The difference for him is everything besides that is rather average with him. Average speed, quickness, physically. His hands are above average though. So we'd be getting a decent player. But he wont get better over time really. He also will nearly be 24 at the time of the draft. For perspective... Darnold is over a year younger than him and has been in the league for 2 years already.

I was thinking Jefferson was around a 5th round prospect but he did have a great day yesterday, according to a NY Giants web site 

“Jefferson did an excellent job finding soft spots in zone coverage during team drills, displaying a high ability to see the field and adjust to a defense. He showed strong hands at the catch point and would pluck the ball out of the cold air. There were a few reps in team drills where he worked his way back to the quarterback and adjusted his body well to throws that were slightly behind and throws that were high. Jefferson had success in 1-on-1 drills as well and looked smooth running routes and exploding off his stem. He is an intriguing prospect who showed up well in his inaugural Senior Bowl practice.”

so great route running and strong hands could actually make him a 3rd round pick. The problem is there are at least 8 or 9 underclassmen that probably go ahead of any seniors.

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Don't let Jefferson fool you, he's faster than many have suggested. We didn't see him run full speed all that often because fo the QB deficiencies, but he has adequate speed. 

If you want to watch him go to work, put on the LSU game from this year. Boy oh boy. He put on a route running clinic. If you're a superior route runner you'll always find ways to separate in the NFL. 

 

He's this year's Terry McLaurin in the sense that he's been overlooked and will rise up draft boards, but in terms of a comp I see a lot of Nate Burleson in his game. I think he has a very good chance of being a better version of him, but in terms of playing style there's a lot of similarities there

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26 minutes ago, jetskid007 said:

Don't let Jefferson fool you, he's faster than many have suggested. We didn't see him run full speed all that often because fo the QB deficiencies, but he has adequate speed. 

If you want to watch him go to work, put on the LSU game from this year. Boy oh boy. He put on a route running clinic. If you're a superior route runner you'll always find ways to separate in the NFL. 

 

He's this year's Terry McLaurin in the sense that he's been overlooked and will rise up draft boards, but in terms of a comp I see a lot of Nate Burleson in his game. I think he has a very good chance of being a better version of him, but in terms of playing style there's a lot of similarities there

Ya what he does incredibly well which gets showcased in that games film is that he off the line seems to win the battle nearly every time. truly just juking CBs before they can get their hands on him. Thats actually the best part of his route running. He seems to legit take every route as a 1 on 1 matchup and he wins a lot. It looks as if he trying to beat a guy off the dribble in basketball.

 

That being said... as I'm sure you noticed watching it. He does this odd thing where he jumps to start each route to position his hips to where a CB doesn't really know which way he's going when he lands. Seems to work for him. But if that transfers over to the NFL... I dont know. It makes his routes take that tad bit longer to develop and what if a physical CB at an NFL level drills you off that jump move on routes.

 

Overall I like him. My biggest issue with him is more his potential and age.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we were interested in Trevon Diggs or Kristian Fulton if the OTs are gone and JD doesn’t like the Edge rushers

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My guy Josh Jones killin the senior bowl 

hes better than Wills, Wirfs and Becton

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8 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

Ya what he does incredibly well which gets showcased in that games film is that he off the line seems to win the battle nearly every time. truly just juking CBs before they can get their hands on him. Thats actually the best part of his route running. He seems to legit take every route as a 1 on 1 matchup and he wins a lot. It looks as if he trying to beat a guy off the dribble in basketball.

 

That being said... as I'm sure you noticed watching it. He does this odd thing where he jumps to start each route to position his hips to where a CB doesn't really know which way he's going when he lands. Seems to work for him. But if that transfers over to the NFL... I dont know. It makes his routes take that tad bit longer to develop and what if a physical CB at an NFL level drills you off that jump move on routes.

 

Overall I like him. My biggest issue with him is more his potential and age.

Age is certainly something to keep in mind but if he is like a 5th or 6th rounder i care way less than drafting an older prospect in the first few rounds.  Jefferson just flat out gets open, and that is the type of help that Sam needs.  I've heard that Florida always made sure that he was the guy line up on the line because he was so good at beating press, he helped free up the other WR on his side so that that guy didn't have to deal with press.  I would love to grab this guy.

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9 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

Ya what he does incredibly well which gets showcased in that games film is that he off the line seems to win the battle nearly every time. truly just juking CBs before they can get their hands on him. Thats actually the best part of his route running. He seems to legit take every route as a 1 on 1 matchup and he wins a lot. It looks as if he trying to beat a guy off the dribble in basketball.

 

That being said... as I'm sure you noticed watching it. He does this odd thing where he jumps to start each route to position his hips to where a CB doesn't really know which way he's going when he lands. Seems to work for him. But if that transfers over to the NFL... I dont know. It makes his routes take that tad bit longer to develop and what if a physical CB at an NFL level drills you off that jump move on routes.

 

Overall I like him. My biggest issue with him is more his potential and age.

I actually have a perfect clip of it saved on my desktop that I’ll post when I get back to it. It’s kind of like a slow slide step into a hop as he was preparing to make a double move. There’s a specific term for it. Stevie Johnson did it a lot and you see it out of Keenan Allen fairly fequently as well. 

 

Also, Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 is out.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098476/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospect-rankings-for-2020-nfl-draft-10

 

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8 hours ago, jetskid007 said:

I actually have a perfect clip of it saved on my desktop that I’ll post when I get back to it. It’s kind of like a slow slide step into a hop as he was preparing to make a double move. There’s a specific term for it. Stevie Johnson did it a lot and you see it out of Keenan Allen fairly fequently as well. 

 

Also, Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 is out.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098476/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospect-rankings-for-2020-nfl-draft-10

 

Regarding DJ’s list -, not to take anything away from Young and Brown but I don’t see how anybody can not have Joe Burrow as the top prospect. He plays the most important position, had the greatest year ever for a college QB, beating 5 of the top 8 teams and 7 of the top 25. The only game that he was under 71% completions was the Clemson game where he threw for 463 yds and 5TD.  At 6’4” he doesn’t have any issues with height like, Watson, Jackson, Mayfield, Murray or Tua.

 

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8 hours ago, jetskid007 said:

I actually have a perfect clip of it saved on my desktop that I’ll post when I get back to it. It’s kind of like a slow slide step into a hop as he was preparing to make a double move. There’s a specific term for it. Stevie Johnson did it a lot and you see it out of Keenan Allen fairly fequently as well. 

 

Also, Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 is out.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098476/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospect-rankings-for-2020-nfl-draft-10

 

It works. It’s just interesting to see. It sets his defenders up to fail really. Im interested On what you think about his potential and age? He’s a polished WR but his ceiling seems to not be much higher than it is now. And he is an older prospect.

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1 hour ago, Bobby816 said:

It works. It’s just interesting to see. It sets his defenders up to fail really. Im interested On what you think about his potential and age? He’s a polished WR but his ceiling seems to not be much higher than it is now. And he is an older prospect.

Keep in mind that Terry McLaurin was a 24 year old rookie as well. Not ideal, but also not the end of the world.

I also think the ceiling thing is a little overstated. Yes physically he may be maxed out, but mentally/fundamentally/mechanically he will only get better in the NFL, which is how he's going to win his battles. In Van you're looking for a high floor, ultra-reliable 3rd option who can line up anywhere on the field. Well worth drafting in the 3rd IMO and while he may not ever be an every year 1000 yard receiver, he's going to make plays when they matter. I've seen all types of comps. I gave him Nate Burleson based on running style and ability, but Van has more size/length and I think he'll have a better career. I'm thinking a Jerricho Cotchery/Brian Hartline career arc from a statistical output prospective, but you never know with guys like him. No one expected Michael Thomas to be who he is, yet look at him now. 

If you're putting a gun to my head to give you what I think his ceiling is? Chad Johnson. I don't think he'll reach that level, but he could. 

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